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quote: Originally posted by T.M
lost in space is as n-s put it 'shite'
as is signs
but u can't forget hellboy or the matrix 2 + 3 As Hellboy is awesome, you can forget it as part of the list
But you're right that Signs is a terrible movie
And the Matrix Sequels are certainly better than the new Star Wars episodes
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Jan 12th, 2005 07:57 PM
Cory Chaos
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It all boils down to opiniion, of course. The "Matrix" sequels were too contrived, where as the newest "Star Wars" movies were easy to follow, and not just playing by ear, like the Wachoski's did with their stolen script.
Jan 13th, 2005 12:36 AM
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star trek nemesis was a big let down imo...
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Jan 13th, 2005 01:12 AM
Strangelove
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quote: Originally posted by Cinemaddiction
It all boils down to opiniion, of course. The "Matrix" sequels were too contrived, where as the newest "Star Wars" movies were easy to follow, and not just playing by ear, like the Wachoski's did with their stolen script.
Stolen? I don't follow
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Jan 13th, 2005 03:18 AM
DreXor
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they weren't completely stolen, the concepts and structure came from ( i think ) a japanese story series, but the licenses and royalties were paid out, and as far as i know the original writers were involved in the overhauls.
Jan 13th, 2005 03:35 AM
Cory Chaos
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Negative.
quote:
"Mother of the Matrix" Victorious
By Martha Carter
Monday, October 4th 2004 ended a six-year dispute involving
Sophia Stewart, the Wachowski Brothers, Joel Silver and Warner
Brothers. Stewart's allegations, involving copyright infringement
and racketeering, were received and acknowledged by the
Central District of California, Judge Margaret Morrow residing.
Stewart, a New Yorker who has resided in Salt Lake City for the
past five years, will recover damages from the films, The Matrix I,
II and III, as well as The Terminator and its sequels. She will
soon receive one of the biggest payoffs in the history of
Hollywood, as the gross receipts of both films and their sequels
total over 2.5 billion dollars.
Stewart filed her case in 1999, after viewing the Matrix, which she
felt had been based on her manuscript, "The Third Eye,"
copyrighted in 1981. In the mid-eighties Stewart had submitted
her manuscript to an ad placed by the Wachowski Brothers,
requesting new sci-fi works.
According to court documentation, an FBI investigation
discovered that more than thirty minutes had been edited from
the original film, in attempt to avoid penalties for copyright
infringement. The investigation also stated that "credible
witnesses employed at Warner Brothers came forward, claiming
that the executives and lawyers had full knowledge that the work
in question did not belong to the Wachowski Brothers." These
witnesses claimed to have seen Stewart's original work and that
it had been "often used during preparation of the motion
pictures." The defendants tried, on several occasions, to have
Stewart's case dismissed, without success.
Stewart has confronted skepticism on all sides, much of which
comes from Matrix fans, who are strangely loyal to the
Wachowski Brothers. One on-line forum, entitled Matrix
Explained has an entire section devoted to Stewart.
Some who have researched her history and writings are open to
her story. Others are suspicious and mocking. "It doesn't bother
me," said Stewart in a phone interview last week, "I always knew
what was true."
Some fans, are unaware of the case or they question its
legitimacy, due to the fact that it has received little to no media
coverage. Though the case was not made public until October of
2003, Stewart has her own explanation, as quoted at
daghettotymz.com:
"The reason you have not seen any of this in the media is
because Warner Brothers parent company is AOL-Time
Warner... this GIANT owns 95 percent of the media... let me give
you a clue as to what they own in the media business... New
York Times papers/magazines, LA Times papers/magazines,
People Magazine, CNN news, Extra, Celebrity Justice,
Entertainment Tonight, HBO, New Line Cinema, Dreamworks,
Newsweek, Village Roadshow... many, many
more!... They are not going to report on themselves. They have
been surpressing my case for years..."
Fans who have taken Stewart's allegations seriously, have found
eerie mythological parallels, which seem significant in a case
that revolves around the highly metaphorical and symbolic Matrix
series. Sophia, the greek goddess of wisdom has been
referenced many times in speculation about Stewart. In one
book about the Goddess Sophia, it reads, "The black goddess
is the mistress of web creation spun in her divine matrix."
Although there have been outside implications as to racial
injustice (Stewart is African American), she does not feel that
this is the case. "This is all about the Benjamins," said Stewart.
"It's not about money with me. It's about justice."
Stewart's future plans involve a record label, entitled Popsilk
Records, and a motion picture production company, All Eyez On
Me, in reference to God. "I wrote The Third Eye to wake people
up, to remind them why God put them here.
There's more to life than money," said Stewart. "My whole
message to the world is about God and good and about choice,
about spirituality prevailing over 'technocracy'."
If Stewart represents spirituality, then she truly has prevailed
over the "technocracy" represented in both the Terminator and
the Matrix, and now, ironically, by their supposed creators.
Stewart is currently having discussions with CBS about a
possible exclusive story and has several media engagements in
the near future to nationally publicize her victory.
Jan 13th, 2005 05:08 AM
T.M
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i don't care what they are stolen from the 2nd and 3rd are rubbish
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Jan 13th, 2005 02:04 PM
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Do you think Lord of the Rings kicks the crap out of Episodes 1 & 2 and Matrix sequels? and do you think Peter Jackson is better than George Lucas?
Jan 14th, 2005 07:37 AM
Smasandian
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Where the hell did that come from?
Peter Jackson isn't better than George Lucas. I personally didn't like LOTR but compared to original Star Wars is no comparison. Star Wars did alot for modern cinema while I feel that LOTR did not (not saying its a good movie or not). Lucas also has made huge leaps in computer graphics and sound. He also has a hand in some other major films too. If it wasn't for Lucas, the movie industry wouldn't be the same. That's why i feel Jackson is not as good as Lucas.
Speaking of the thread. I feel Solaris(remake) is one of the bad ones.
Jan 14th, 2005 08:46 AM
Sharcaeor
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hey people,
can any of you please help me in my quest to unearth a film i saw on cable about 5 years ago. it was so astonishingly bad it was funny. i dont have the title, or who was in it....just some 'memorable scenes' . First off the plot seemed to revolve around this female scientist creating an army of androids...for her sexual pleasure...although one of them reacts to her advances by knocking her out! The robots eventually escape and run amok in a very low-budget near future USA. blah blah blah.
In one scene, one of the team of hero's has to rescue a friend in need...he looks at his watch and says: "i can be there in 37 seconds!" he then runs off at high speed. (he gets there in 30 secs or something)
in another scene, a big fight takes place in a cramped bedroom, and is very funnily executed. the hero wins by dumping the robot out of the window.
there is also a scene near the end where the brother of the female scientist is set alight by the heroes and merely stares at them calmly from the flames. the 'face' is over imposed on the scene, so his neck looks like its about 3 foot long!
one of the 'invincible' killer robots gets beat up by a fat mexican shop owner.
the film ends with a shot of one of the destroyed robots putting itself back together.
that's all i remember...ring any bells?
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Jun 14th, 2005 06:47 PM
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by Samas-adian
Where the hell did that come from?
Peter Jackson isn't better than George Lucas. I personally didn't like LOTR but compared to original Star Wars is no comparison. Star Wars did alot for modern cinema while I feel that LOTR did not (not saying its a good movie or not). Lucas also has made huge leaps in computer graphics and sound. He also has a hand in some other major films too. If it wasn't for Lucas, the movie industry wouldn't be the same. That's why i feel Jackson is not as good as Lucas.
Speaking of the thread. I feel Solaris(remake) is one of the bad ones.
lucas did do a good job generally, but as a director he isnt great...
quote: (post ) Originally posted by Sharcaeor
hey people,
can any of you please help me in my quest to unearth a film i saw on cable about 5 years ago. it was so astonishingly bad it was funny. i dont have the title, or who was in it....just some 'memorable scenes' . First off the plot seemed to revolve around this female scientist creating an army of androids...for her sexual pleasure...although one of them reacts to her advances by knocking her out! The robots eventually escape and run amok in a very low-budget near future USA. blah blah blah.
In one scene, one of the team of hero's has to rescue a friend in need...he looks at his watch and says: "i can be there in 37 seconds!" he then runs off at high speed. (he gets there in 30 secs or something)
in another scene, a big fight takes place in a cramped bedroom, and is very funnily executed. the hero wins by dumping the robot out of the window.
there is also a scene near the end where the brother of the female scientist is set alight by the heroes and merely stares at them calmly from the flames. the 'face' is over imposed on the scene, so his neck looks like its about 3 foot long!
one of the 'invincible' killer robots gets beat up by a fat mexican shop owner.
the film ends with a shot of one of the destroyed robots putting itself back together.
that's all i remember...ring any bells?
sorry dude... no idea...
and i saw battlefield earth... it was shit...
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Jun 16th, 2005 05:22 AM
faradayslaw
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Battlefield Earth and the Matrix sequels are the worst movies I've ever seen, except for Catwoman.
Jun 16th, 2005 11:19 AM
jinXed by JaNx
Senior Member
Gender: Male Location: Pittsburgh
quote: (post ) Originally posted by Smasandian
Where the hell did that come from?
Peter Jackson isn't better than George Lucas. I personally didn't like LOTR but compared to original Star Wars is no comparison. Star Wars did alot for modern cinema while I feel that LOTR did not (not saying its a good movie or not). Lucas also has made huge leaps in computer graphics and sound. He also has a hand in some other major films too. If it wasn't for Lucas, the movie industry wouldn't be the same. That's why i feel Jackson is not as good as Lucas.
Speaking of the thread. I feel Solaris(remake) is one of the bad ones.
Lets not forget that jackson had an entire team of secondary and assistant directors to help him with lord of the rings. Lucas had 20 million and some college kids to help him put his vision on screen
I dont understand how people can say that movies like the matrix or star wars are some of the worst movies. By the standards set, star wars and matrix sequals were indeed below par. However, good filmaking went into those movies. Even if the dialogue and story told was nothing more than a feeble premise decorated in big words and marketing.
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Jun 19th, 2005 08:37 PM
Prince Nauj
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battle field earth, SW 1&2, Jason X was terrible
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Jun 20th, 2005 02:00 PM
HECK
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What about that direct to video Starship Troopers 2 catastrophe? Not that the first one was anything great, but the second one made it look like Hamlet.
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Jun 21st, 2005 08:11 AM
shaber
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by Cinemaddiction
Dialogue is the major fault of the P.T., that lessens the effectiveness of the individual actor's performances. Lucas has made an ass out of Sammy Jax with his elementary school scripts.
Hmmmm..worse Sci Fi in the past decade would have to include:
Planet of the Apes (remake)
Cube 2: Hypercube
Fortress 2: Re-Entry
Rollerball
Matrix: Reloaded
Matrix: Revolutions
..sure there are tons more, but those were the real stinkers.
I'd add Godzilla to your list.
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Jun 22nd, 2005 07:25 PM
ladygrim
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planet of the apes .....
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Jul 2nd, 2005 01:50 PM
Darth_DaNThEMaN
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battlefield earth, or the time machine.
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Jul 2nd, 2005 07:31 PM
Darth_DaNThEMaN
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or any star trek movie.
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Jul 2nd, 2005 07:31 PM
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