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ROTJ Luke Skywalker Vs Qui-Gon Jinn
Just because these are fun....
We can probably all agree that Luke was at his peak ability in ROTJ (EU novels aside, this is movie-based) and we also know that Qui-Gon was an accomplished swordsman as well.
But who would win, Luke from ROTJ, or Qui-Gon from TPM?
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Qui-Gon by a MILE!
No OT combatant comes anywhere near the PT ones. Even in ROTJ, Luke is unprofessional and clumsy. Qui-Gon is slick and skilled.
This was specifically GL's point. Luke he calls a half-trained boy. ALL the combatants in the earlier films are superior, including Anakin to the diminished Vader.
There is simply no doubt on this; GL has made the point clear.
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While I do agree that Luke Skywalker is far more gifted than Qui-Gon Jinn, Qui-Gon's skills as a swordsman are far superior to Luke's. Vader was easy on Luke because he didn't want to kill his own son, that is the ONLY reason Luke was able to go toe-to-toe with him.
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No, Vader lost 'cause he was slow and not like he used to be. His peak was when he was Vader but not yet in the suit. After he gained the suit his skills lessened considerably, enough that even a half-trained boy like Luke could take him down. Luke's not all that powerful really, Vader was just weak by the time he faced Luke the 2nd time.
My vote goes for Qui-Gon, gotta go for the Master on this one.
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Yeah 1 Qui Gon could defeat ROTJ luke easy! maybe not Jedi Master Luke
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it depends at what point in return of the jedi.i believe someone posted a quote by GL that said the events that took place in ROTJ made Luke the strongest force user ever so if that means right at the end Luke could take anyone but if he meant directly after than no he couldn't
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Mm. Vader is only a master of evil. He would be, not he is at the moment. Sure, he took out Vader, but he got whooped by the Emperor, and he uses the force, too.
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the quote i read was somethign along the lines of that experience with the emperor and his fathers salvation somehow enlightened him. he may not be the most powerful force user simply b/c he doesn't know much about the jedi order but i think he was supposedly opened more to the force after that experience
Well... since this is the eu, i'm going to bring the EU into this. When luke comes out, he's not a super jedi who can move spaceships with a flick of a wrist. he's an untrained farmboy who is making it up as he goes. I don't realy care what you guys say about "George lucas said". Its EU.
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I think that Qui Gon has a definite chance against Vader, but Luke is far to acrobatic for him. All that jumpin' around would throw him off. Maybe Obi Wan could though.....
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What;s the point of speculating on fact? Speculation is there to lay out possible options- but if something is a known fact, then there aren't any options! Speculate on things we don't know, not things we do!
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