Actually this is NOT a mistake, the confusion resulting in bad production on 20th Century Foxs' part, who constant intererence with Fincher caused a whole manner of problems, especially the script, which was constantly changing even during filming.
What they ended up with was things:
1) The movie, which shows a single hugger infecting one of the crew, (probably Ripley) then tries to infect Newt but gets injured, and bleeds acid which starts the fire on Sulaco. This Alien eventually gets down to the planet and infects the dog. Ever since the theatrical version of Alien 3 people have suggested a creature called a Super Face-Hugger, capable of laying two embyo's, might have been responsible.
2) Then there's the novel by Alan Dean Foster, which clearly suggests there was at least 2 huggers aboard the Sulaco. The one which attacks Newt is apparently killed, starting the fire on board the Sulaco, while the second gets down to the planet. This book came out before the movie and has caused a lot of debate, even though it holds no water when compared to the film.
The final script, by Walter Hill/David Giler and still available online, doesn't give much away either. There's no mention of any Supper Face-Hugger, yet we know from photos already published on the net, that such a creature WAS made for the film. What the script does give us, is most of what we knew was filmed and never released by FOX...that is...until the Alien Quadrilogy came along.
Getting back on topic, I would have to say, if your looking for ERRORS, possiby one the biggest Alien 3 goofer surrounds the Ox, which was the original beast infected by the Hugger Fincher (wisely) replaced it with the Dog.
NOUN: Parasite, parusIt
An animal or plant that lives in or on a host (another animal or plant); the parasite obtains nourishment from the host without benefiting or killing the host.
Thing is, I always believed the Alien could not infect a dead animal, it is a parasite and therefore would feed off and/or use the host until it was ready. But in the Alien 3 Special Edition this animal was already DEAD before the chestburster sequence, suggesting perhaps the Hugger may have killed it, but thats not really the point. Ripley carries the Queen inside her, but believes if she dies the creature will too, yet if you cast your mind back to the Ox this appears to be not the case, which os probably why it never made to the theatrical version in the first place.
Not totally correct. A thought used in Alien3 is that the host affects the behaviour of the alien born from it. That's why the alien there is more agressive and direct, chasing victims like a wolf (or dog) would do.
The aliens in the previous parts depended more on ambushing and stealth.
Hences Ripleys quote 'I never saw one like this before'
Err, yes, can't see any problem here at all. We are MEANT to think there was only one egg, but then one of the plot developments was "Oh, Ripley's got it too, there must have been more than one."
The eggs weren't placed there by the Company- where would they have got them from? The Queen left them.
And the Alien 3 Alien was indeed different to the others, more dog-like, so AVP is following that continuity fine... however, neither film sits comfortably with the small exit wound from the Pilot in the original Alien, which implied they were all the same.
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My biggest cont. error is the fact that Ripley was infested with an alien embryo in the first place. This Super-Face Hugger everyone was referring to, I believe was actually supposed to be a face hugger that laid Queen Alien embyos. Whether this is true or not I don't know.
But then in the movie Ripley states she was dreaming about being violated. Let's assume there were 2 face huggers. The first one was hurt while trying to break into Newts chamber, where it bled acid which made the ship crash. If there was two, did the other one just not get hurt?
Plus, Ripley asked Bishop if there was an Alien on board. She didn't ask if there was more than one, and Bishop didn't say either. She also didn't ask if there was an egg or an Alien, and maybe it's just too much thinking, but...could it be that an Alien raped Ripley? I know it's so off the wall, but what if that Alien got hurt, and stayed on the Sulaco(?) before the escape pod jetisened?
I'm probably over-thinking everything too much, but thanks for listening.
Forget the general release version which was cut to threads which pis*ed Fincher off. The extended version is better as you get to see (watch carefully, blink and you miss it) super face hugger which is bigger than the normal one. So we must assume able to lay more than one egg in its victim, of course not made clear by the film makers.
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I had always looked at it that the queen in Aliens new she may be going to die so she layed one egg before she impailed bishop which housed one face hugger that can hug 2 times. once implanting a queen and again with a regular alien. and the alien takes on the traits of the host that is why the alien in alien 3 ran like a dog even ripley said she hasn't seen one like this before. If the studio was smart they would start the franchies from after aliens and pretend alien 3 and 4 were just a hypersleep dream or something cause they sucked.
Hi,ok correct if im wrong or what,but at the end of the movie ALIENS and I guess at the beginning of ALIEN 3 how was it that the Face-hugger pods got onboard the sulaco in the first place?????
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The real quesiton is how did the egg even get there? If the queen brought onboard an egg, how did she go to a part of the sulaco that we had never seen before and place an egg there when the fact is we only see her at the sulaco's hanger?
Big continuity screw up, and bishop couldn't have brought up an egg as well.
It was a Cystic Egg that the Queen layed right before she impaled Bishop. They are able to lay Queen eggs as well as Praetorian Xenomorph Eggs which can in turn evolve into a Queen. These eggs have been referred to as "Super Eggs" but that name is just stupid. They can actually birth up to three Facehuggers, not sure why there were two in that egg though I'd pin it on bad writing. The Xenomorphs have suffered greatly from horrible writing and misplaced, possibly coincidental planning. Which is why they are overpowered in one film, then depowered in another, then shit in another.
The whole thing about Ripley not being harmed by alien blood, she's a hybrid so to speak, she developed a bit of an immunity to it, when she rips out the Xenomprh's tongue, she was never covered in acidic blood...
Ripley and the Queen being cloned. She had the Queen in her, they shared the same body, same blood, same everything, her blood sample collected could have had remnants of the Queen's DNA as well.
The dog-like Xenomorph in Alien 3 is called a Runner. That which originated from a four-legged animal. They are among the different classes of Aliens. Drones, Praetorians, Warriors, Carriers, Ravagers, Predaliens, Chestbursters, Facehuggers, Eggs, Royal Eggs, PredQueens and regular Queens.
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Yeah...David Fincher...we all know what a shit director he is...i mean "se7en", "the game", "fight club", "the curious case of benjamin button", Zodiac
I know, right? Stupid ass name. I read somewhere that in early 2003 that named was scrapped when they classified all Xenomorphs originating from animals into Runners.
its more the embryo i'm thinking of about how it takes some of the hosts DNA or traits and with the special edition of Alien 3 i fail to see how an Ox is faster then a dog
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