Steel came in during Superman's resurrection. He was one of the foursome taking the mantle of Superman. He was a construction worker saved by Superman in the past and he felt after the Doomsday crisis to do his part for the community. He had an "iron-like" flight suit and carried a large hammer.
For Asians, there is Shang-Chi the martial artist, many Hand byproducts (Kwannon, Reiko, etc.), the Silver Samurai, Sunfire, etc.
Native American - Forge, Shaman, Thunderbird, Warpath, Cerebra (X-Men 2099), etc.
Europeans - some of the defunct Excalibur, including Nightcrawler and Captain Britain had European origins, Hellfire Club has a European group, etc. I think Wolfsbane is too (she had strong Scottish upbringing, but I'm unsure where she was born).
Just a curious thought. Ever wonder why the the original creators of Superman and Batman (so-called 1st-tier heroes) had them resemble Caucasian males with black hair, rather than the stereotypical "blonde-hair blue eyes?" Cuz I'm confident if you ask most non-Caucasians, when they think of Caucasian, they think of "blonde-hair, blue eyes, tall, etc." Almost an old-Disneyeque portrayal of the hero that rescues the damsel in distress. Was it because the creators wanted their heroes to be AMERICAN; hence, a character that was a result of the melting-pot that defines the U.S.? Therefore, he could relate more to a wider audience?
When I think of American heroes with blonde-hair blue eyes, I think of the way PATRIOTIC heroes were shown, ie. Steve Roger (Captain America).
I apologize if this is a touchy subject, but I wonder just what made the original creators go with these characteristics when they decided to make their icons.
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My God whoever said Green Lantern isnt white really pissed me off im sorry to say it, but he's white. That STUPID cartoon made him black to be politically correct and make people happy. He shouldnt even be recongnized for that cartoon. He's one of my favorite comic book characters and he's not black. I'm not racist or anything, but he was white and should stay white!
yeah sorry, bro, john stewart is a classic character. if you wanna read a great story with a black green lantern, pick up the cosmic odyssey trade paperback. its got some early pencils by mike mignola. dont expect stewart to end up saving the day though. man, thats a fantastic ending no matter what color you are.
as far as making characters ethnic just for its own sake, i think its a mistake. when you start pressuring people about it, you end up with duds like samurai, apache chief, and black vulcan. seriously, if you think about it that way, wouldnt you rather wait for a good black character than have a dozen unspecial ones churned out?
did you guys like 100 bullets? i only read the first little bit. all that slang was annoying for me. not to discredit the creators, cause ive read some of their stuff i really liked to. but what did you guys think?
__________________ and what is good, phaedrus,
and what is not good-
need we ask anyone to tell us these things?
my point is, we shouldnt get the comics industry thinking "ok black character, black character, whats a good idea for a black character?" because it will end badly. they should be thinking about making good characters, THEN decide what their ethnicity happens to be.
didnt i read a black firestorm in a wizard preview a while back?
__________________ and what is good, phaedrus,
and what is not good-
need we ask anyone to tell us these things?
aw, hell! sorry to respond to myself like this but i almost forgot! i just read the new black panther # 1, by john romita jr and the guy who wrote the movies "house party" and "boomerang." it was fantastic. thats a black author and a black lead who is so tough it hurts. he isnt a superman, but his african culture is super intelligent and seriously, it is a wicked tough book. you guys should definitely read it if you havent.
__________________ and what is good, phaedrus,
and what is not good-
need we ask anyone to tell us these things?
bLACK PANTER SUCKS LIKE A WATER MELON! I read one of it's stuff back in the 90's late 90s and there was one where he had beef with the goct of the USA and said he didn't want to associate with the Avengers cos of it n I thought that was lame and dumb!
What was he doing in the =AVENGERS if he had so much loyalty to his govt or country? He shouldn't have been in there in the first place! Making him some kinda Prince was lame cus he'd be back in his country than the Usa.
Who is the White panta if there is a black one anyway? I just wanted to see more asian and European superheroes than I've been reading since I was a kid! Captain England would make a good debut and battle with Cap America for his shield! Ha haha. Spiderman should have a cousin in Norway whose blond and blue eyes and definately alwways has a beard! Call him the bearded spiderman!
Whoa, I want to apply to Marvel right now! They need some new inputs!
HAHAHA, that s not funny dude! Black panter thinks he's cool and all taht but I haven't seen him taken on any great villains except going back to his village and beating a bunch of herds men to retain his kingship! They need some one more cunning1 The black samuria or
Black sholin TIGER would be good!
dude, quit this bloody rant. there are plenty of heroes from different ethnicities, making a hero black or asian or whatever simply for the sake of political correctness is a joke...
I never said they should do that! Never said it and wont say it! If you dont understand my mail, dont read it! I wondered why there weren't other heros from other countries and that includes other white populated countries dumnb ass. Yeah, I said minorities but caucausians are not the biggest population on earth in case you haven't got your statistics well! The chinesse and the indians are! What I meant was why are they all American? Ok some dude said I should go to another country and buy theirs! But isn't America struggling to spread the message of democracy to the rest of the world? Dont they have Chinese, Indian, British , French (they got Gambit in Marvel) and so many other ethnic people from Europe (the Irish, Italian and so on) living in the US?
I meant most of the heroes are all Americans and white Americans but when they now send soldiers to places like Iraq, I'll tell you they got all races there! Two of my cousins are in IRAQ fighting for the US govt dog and I pray they're still alive! And they aint white! They are proud to fight for their nation just like every other American! The comics should reflect that more! If they do , cool, dont give me grieve with your low IQ! Stuff it up your intellectual thinking pad! Hey, Marvel and DC sell in every nation around the world! Europe too! So why dont they just seel in the US if you want me to go to other countries to find a european superhero! They sell all over the world? Dont they? dont pep talk me dog! Some of you guys just fail to read the emails well then get all confused!
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DEAR PR1983
So why cant we have German superheroes or spanish ones living in America! We got so many different races in America! Never heard of a puerto rican super cool dude? Anyway I thought DC and Marvel are multinational companies now? They've branched into films and fashion and so on so what's your beef?
I still want to read about a Captain British in New England in the USA! And he would be white with a cockney accent with a bow tie and hat and a walking stick! He'd be dressed in Black and a white shirt and would work for the British secret service! If they can have Chatla or whatever his name is from Black panta, then we can have a British super hero operating even in the states!
Yes I said superman was only white but were they all caucarsians on krpton? Is that why it exploded? One race of super beings? And why if most super heros are in the states are they all Americans? I bring alot to the table dog! Dont look lame and pick on one! Superman should stay white! I like him the way he is, it's just what I read with the world changing doesn't reflect what I read in the comics!
The world's changing dude! Wise up, and go figure! Whose the secretary of state for the USA? Dude, dwell on that! It's a black woman! Not even a white one! and I dont like her anyway! Course she's black dont make her right! I'm a great fan of Spiderman and he's white! I love Peter and that'll never change! I dont want him black either!
Of course, I'd still like to see a Chinese Secretary of state and so and so! I'm for all people! Heroes have to move with the times. There was an issue on this in Avengers recently last year and the heroes noticed it and said they were'nt racist. Ofcourse they're not.
Listen go to another thread and smoke a joint and chill out!
simple fact, most comics are made in america, by largely american people, therefore the characters will most likely be american...
don't even dare to call me a dumbass, you don't even know me...
and don't talk to me like a child... i know full well there are more asians than causcasianss in the world... i didn't quote any statistics, so YOU should get your facts straight...
the reason they don't as much about other countries is that if they did without actually knowing about those countries they could mess up alot...
watch your mouth... don't you even dare talk to me that way, you don't know shit about me, so stop trying to insult me... just because you have a chip on your shoulder its not my problem, you want to go around name calling thats your fault, not mine...
don't patronise me... anybody can tell the world is changing, i live in ireland, one of the most diverse countries in europe, the woman i'm with and will probably end up marrying is asian... don't even insinuate i don't know what i'm talking about...
everybody knows how diverse america is, including comic book creators... hell there was a black captain america... seriously, get that chip off your shoulder...
comic books try to find a balance between the world changing and being escapist, you saw the 9/11 issues right?
Let the writers do what they want because if people complain then they would make characters bad on purpose to piss you off.
I dont realy like the black characters like blade(i like him only in the movies not the comics) spawn or the ones that dont seem like a superhero but just killing demons devils and crap.
I thought static was ok but then 50000 said he sucks and how hes the worst superhero ever, so i cant discuss it to any one like i would say superman in comic 47738 was aswome when he fought this. I go static was kool when he fought and people say static sucks bad and they only seen 1 episode.
I dont realy like cybork since hes hadicaped and screams booyah all the time with half a brain(in the cartoon he good but no one else thinks it , they say he got the worse eps and crap)
I started off hating alll green lanternss because of super friends and how they cheese and cant use yellow but starting from kyle it got better and john i didnt like for a while then his story got better so hes like the only one i acualy like.
For asains i like batgirl. Didnt like her at first because she replaced the other one but grew to like her
IT'S ALRIGHT MR 1983, I dont mean anything personal. It's all business not personal. I know it's all published in the USA by Usains but I wish they could be more inventive now as they sell in Ireland and the UK and Europe and Asia and Africa and South America. If they talk about the UN and all, they can have more diverse heros. That;s why I siad Chinesse and they dont have to live in China! I'd love to see a Super Lee comic book about Bruce Lee's grand nephew who becomes blessed with super natural powers and speed to help his kunfu skills and is being hunted by his great grandad's killers from China. He might have adamantum skelenton and loads of weapons and work for the FBI.
Maybe an Irish Punisher like dude from the former IRA who wants to spread peace by taking out hoodlums like DareDevil. So many new ideas that can make it more global! I did an MBA and was just wondering about globalization!
It's not about race! If Superman's people (maybe 4 or 6) survived somehow and were on a space journey when their planet exploded, then we could have more supermen! Come off it, if they were so advanced than us, couldn't they have had space voyages before the planet exploded?
Realistically, if we on Earth knew our planet was gonna blow up, wouldn't we be trying to get people to the moon or Mars?
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