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Originally posted by Darth Revan
No offense, but did you people pass 10th grade biology? I myself have done extensive research on both sides of the argument... I've looked through a number of the major "creation science" sites, and even written to one of them. The response I got was a drawn-out, nitpicky letter that didn't even come close to answering my original question, which I posed in a polite way. I found not one shred of evidence for Creation that was not either ridiculous or refuted by a thousand other sites. If you want me to cite examples, say the word, and I will gladly do so. So, after all my research, I concluded basically one thing: it was a complete waste of time and my opinion on evolution had not changed one bit. Please don't assume I'm some moron who goes around parading my spur of the moment ideas as fact.

You did just what I claimed you had, in at least two places in this thread. Here:

"I can get into the intracacies and talk about probability and so on but you wont want to hear it anyway."

And here:

"I could go on and given many reasons why creationsm works where naturalism doesnt, many that I havent even cited previously. I dont believe evolutionism has anything legitimate to show in support of itself either because the things that are being uncovered, refute it."

"Oh thats right. Spontaneous generation is 'scientific' but a creator creating is 'unreasonable' and 'unsupported'. Gotcha."

"Spontaneous generation," as you so aptly put it, does not in fact need be included in the study of evolution. Evolution is about the 4.6 billion years after life first appeared, not necessarily how it was created. How it first appeared is anybody's guess... Who knows, maybe it was created by some supernatural power at first. All I'm saying is that the idea earth is 6000 years old and was created in exactly the state it is now is a load of bull. The amount of evidence backing that up is enormous... To name the two most commonly used ones:

-We can see light from stars millions of light years away. This would obviously be impossible if the universe were under a few billion years old.

-We have found various artifacts that were carbon dated and found to be older than the supposed age of the Christian universe.

Now, as for evolution itself, the amount of evidence is just as great... And I honestly don't know how it's possible that you haven't heard any of this in the past. Creationists often claim that life is too "perfect" to have been created by anything other than an intelligent mind. The fact is, life is far from perfect.

For example, hundreds of studies have found that every living organism will always reproduce past the maximum load its environment can support. When this happens, a number of individuals from that species will simply die off until the population is within the amount the availible resources can support. The species will be more healthy as a whole, and will reproduce again, and the same thing happens over and over.

I could go on and on about life's various imperfections, and perhaps I will later, but I'm getting tired.

Before I go, I have to mention the thing that sparked the idea of evolution in the first place--Darwin's famous Galapagos finches. When Darwin was a naturalist aboard the HMS Beagle, which made stops in the Galapagos islands, he collected a number of specimens of what he thought to be different species of birds. However, when he got back to England, he was informed that all of the birds he had collected were types of finches. Back in the day, people knew that species sometimes changed due to variations in climate. What puzzled Darwin was the fact that all of the islands he had visited were identical in climate. There was no apparent reason for the birds to be so different from one another. Why would God put different finches on identical islands? He reasoned that perhaps organisms adapted over many generations to new situations--not just climate, but factors such as availible food and predators as well. That was the spark that got him thinking about natural selection...

But, like I said, it's past my bedtime and I must be leaving you all. Good day.

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A species evolves into a new one when a population adapts to be able to live in their environment through natural selection.

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Originally posted by moviejunkie23
finches?
finches are a product of adaptation i have already discussed this in another thread. You know how their are certain breeds of dogs that can live in extreme extreme cold? You know how there are dogs that are adapted to extreme extreme heat? well if you switch them around in their climates they will not survive very well now will they? But they are both dogs. Those dogs will not eventually spawn dogs that have wings.
Finches and peppered moths that you forgot to mention are poor examples of evolution

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"When this happens, a number of individuals from that species will simply die off until the population is within the amount the availible resources can support."
that is one of the reasons i believe that there is a creator. everything works in perfect harmoney. Everything is structured to work together. If a animal has learned over generations and generations of how to evolve and they change to survive best, how could they decide to also change to benefit the rest of the enviroment unless there is a governing force that keeps thinsg in balance. How do 100s of sperate pieces of a puzzle all fit together at the same time without being able to communicate together and being random?

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Originally posted by Darth Revan
Hundreds of separate pieces of a puzzle all fit together because they all evolved from a single organism.

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Originally posted by Jackie Malfoy
Creation is more true then Elevution which to me does not make any sence.JM

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and god bless

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Albert Einstein from Albert Einstein: The Human Side:

It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it.

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The obituary of Albert Einstein; New York Times, April 19th 1955:

I cannot imagine a God who rewards and punishes the objects of his creation, whose purposes are modeled after our own - a God, in short, who is but a reflection of human frailty. Neither can I believe that the individual survives the death of his body, although feeble souls harbor such thoughts through fear or ridiculous egotisms.