A full powered Galactus is not more powerful than PC Darkseid.
Where did kgkg specify which Galactus? He did not.
Your rhetoric regarding why Darkseid's Omega Effect did not blink out Galactus is just that. Rhetoric. There also IS no "Source" in the MU, hence other WRITERS surmising that was the reason why they did not work.
LoL @ "despite what Byrne said." Sorry, he knows a hell of a lot more about both characters than YOU do.
Silver "punking" Orion is cute. Surfer's a PACIFIST. Orion is war personified.
And are you not taking a whole lot of liberties in misinterpreting the battle? Actually Darkseid's minions had Galactus DOWN before Surfer intervened, or did you FORGET that part? Galactus did not send Darkseid "flying." He hit him with one beam from his hand and put him on his ass.
Sorry, but your write-up is hardly on point. But it is your opinion.
Regardless of which post it was for, it is incorrect.
Rhetoric? So the OE does work on even essentials of the universe? Galactus dies, the universe dies.
As for not being part of the Source, than I guess Thor, Thanos, Mephisto, Odin, etc. would have a ball with Darkseid if any of them ever met up one on one with Darkseid huh? Be it DC or Marvel. His most powerful weapon wouldn't do a thing.
Yeah, Byrne knows alot. Galactus = Darkseid in power, right. Show me feats of where Darkseid is equal to Galactus?
Feats of Pre-Crisis Darkseid = Galactus
Feats of Post-Crisis Darkseid = Starving Galactus
Yup, Darkseid's minions had a STARVING Galactus down. It was basically Darkseid, Orion, and all of Apokolips Vs. Surfer & a starving Galactus. And in the end, did Darkseid win send Galactus packing? Certainly wasn't anything Darkseid or his son and minions did.
It's more like a Starving Galactus = Darkseid + Apokolips
lol how in the hell darksied is equal to glactus is beyond my comprehension.
like i said before Galacus creats people that eat people like darksied for lunch.
Provide some facts , and don't count crossover they are bullshit.
like wov vs lobo , it is fan based no way on earth darksied can lay a finger on Galactus . Never why do you think Darksied is equal to FUll powerd galactus . Even tho darksied is equal to superman/orion/doomsday's power and all these are roaches compare to galactus
>>>So the OE does work on even essentials of the universe? Galactus dies, the universe dies.
The battle was not even in continuity, so...?
>>>As for not being part of the Source, than I guess Thor, Thanos, Mephisto, Odin, etc. would have a ball with Darkseid if any of them ever met up one on one with Darkseid huh?
He can kill them all via other means. LoL, as if the OE is his only weapon? Hello? He has PLANETS full of parademons.
>>>Yeah, Byrne knows alot. Galactus = Darkseid in power, right. Show me feats of where Darkseid is equal to Galactus?
Byrne knows WAY more than you do. Is your ego to big to allow that? LoL, he's only been involved in comics for what, 40+ years?
>>>It was basically Darkseid, Orion, and all of Apokolips Vs. Surfer & a starving Galactus.
>>>For all I know, he could've done it in a Batman comic or Flash.
Okie dokie, they had some great scans at comixfan.com. I'll see if they are still up.
>>>Yeah, I guess your right. Darkseid can't do it under his own power, otherwise he'd get creamed by Thor, Odin, Thanos, etc.
LoL, okay. Whatever.
>>>Yeah Byrne knows alot, still doesn't mean he ain't bias. Again, I've yet to see any feats as to why Darkseid is Galactus' equal.
Byrne cut his teeth at Marvel, IIRC. Why would he be biased FOR Darkseid?
And do recall he is very familiar with PC versions of DC characters. He's the one that DEPOWERED Superman.
>>>Which one did I read? So your saying Darkseid himself beat Galactus and sent him away without a meal?
No, I am saying that your descriptions of the battle lead one to believe that 1. you did not read it and are going by someone else's descriptions, or 2. you read it long ago and do not recall it correctly.
Darkseid was not even involved when Galactus was knocked off of his feet. He was setting up his machinery and Apokalips ATTACKED. Not the entire planet, like 4 machines. Galactus was keeping them at bay, then one knocked him down.
Silver Surfer then flew in.
Galactus did not send Darkseid flying. He, again, put one hand out, let out a beam, and knocked Darkseid on his ass. That's like saying I gave you a backhand and "sent you flying" when I in fact knocked you down.
Darkseid, Orion, and ALL of Apokalips? Where was Kalibak, Desaad (I think he was there -- actually I am pretty sure now, I think he betrayed Darkseid), and all of the REST of them then? That's an exaggeration. He could have "BOOM TUBED" the rest in. He did not.
Yes I am certain...Orion was talking to the Surfer (who was just once again brainwashed by Galactus) and told him he could not fight him again, cause he was now in debt to him, then Darkseid came out of nowhere and said something about him not being bound by any restriction or anything, and blasted Surfer in the side with the Omega Beams, shredding that portion of his metallic body.
Plus, I do believe Darkseid was thrown more than just on his ass. It looked like he was sent flying a good hundred yards or so by Galactus.
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Good hundred yards? The image that I am referencing is from Galactus' perspective. It looks as if he simply knocked him off of his feet.
Darkseid has some long, drawn out preamble before unleashing his OE. You see smoke, then when it clears, you see Galactus smirking.
Nah, don't recall Darkseid battling Silver Surfer in that one.
Anywho, BEYONDER and kgkg, you are in luck.
Here is a list of the battle between one of the New Gods (Lightray) and Orion, which should illustrate how powerful Orion was (PC Orion), which will indirectly show you how powerful Galactus was.
Lightray? Oh, he just flew at 8 times the speed of light, reignited a sun, et cetera. No biggie.
superman comics are somewhat my forte and i cant remeber a time when he was struck by the omega beams and didnt scream like his name was angela. even in "our worlds at war" even when darky's omeaga energy was spent he still had another from of optic attack that was attuned to supes energy signature and he yet again screamed like angela, so to back to the original statement, the omeaga beams are indeed nothing to take lightly.
surfer is powerful but he's not an immortal god like darksied. darksied has arguably the same abailties has surfer does its just that he likes to get all dramatic and fold his arms behind his back and let his eyes do the work, but he can channel energy thru his arms as well.
Who is to say that Galactus cannot destroy a galaxy? Simply because he hasn't? Galactus eats planets to sustain himself, not out of malice. Assuming what Galactus cannot do by judging what he has done is not an accurate means of gauging his power. He is not a well developed character. With his power it is very possible that he could destroy a galaxy, or more for that matter.
Galactus is the source of the power cosmic, more powerful than any Omega Beams or "Omega Effect" or anything else that comes out of Darkseid's eyes.
Manjaro when you say "arguably" you mean "probably" right?
When has Darkseid exhibited matter manipulation on a molecular level? Or the ability to absorb/exude any form of radiant energy? Or flight at warp speeds?
The fact that Norrin is a pacifist is irrelevant to this thread, Never. Read the forum rules by Tron.
Show where Galactus has destroyed a galaxy. He consumes planets, and HE HAS TO USE MACHINERY TO CONVERT IT INTO ENERGY FIRST.
And he is "well-developed." How long have you even been READING about him?
The power cosmic is NOT more powerful than The Source. Have you any clue what The Source is? HMMMMMM? The source of ALL PRIME ENERGY in the DC Universe.
PC Darkseid manipulated matter. AGAIN, why comment on a character if you do not KNOW about him?
Norrin Radd is a pacifist AND CANNOT FIGHT. DARKSEID CAN. Yes, it is relevant.
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"Manjaro when you say "arguably" you mean "probably" right?
When has Darkseid exhibited matter manipulation on a molecular level? Or the ability to absorb/exude any form of radiant energy? Or flight at warp speeds?"
well i dont know about flying but as for ABSORBING radiant energy, darky absorbs element X in his body. an element that gives him contiuum control.Continuum Control: With this power Darkseid is able to tinker with the nature of matter and control the space/time continuum .
Darkseid may also perform more actions with continuum control:
Electrical Generation:
Damage Transferal:
Disruption:
Time Travel:
Teleportation:
Regathering:
Body Transformation
also Darksied does have the ability to restructure things and ppl he has disintegrated, plus steal life forces so i guess that counts as matter manipulation on a molecluar level. plus the fact that LIGHT comes from his freaking eyes that IS exuding RADIANT energy.
i believe your questions have been answered my good sir. check his character profile if you think its bull
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