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They ALL get a week of prep. If YOU knew anything about Panther, you'd know that he's AT LEAST Doom's equal with prep. I'd put him on a level above Doom in that category.
I say again - Panther takes this by himself. If anything, I'd be more interested in seeing Panther vs. Doom, Batman and Cap....
whoa, how the hell do you figure that? there is a reason why i have all three go against doom.
panther against doom himself? thats suicide.
there isnt any human equals to Doom.
this is the power scale here
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No way is Doom top six in the Marvel Universe. This is exactly what I was talking about in that other thread I made awhile ago, about KMC power rankings.
People are overly impressed with Doom. The ONLY reason why Black Panther didn't gain the power of a Cosmic Cube, or the power of the Beyonder, or the Infinity Gauntlet or any of that other stuff is because he chose not to. I'm certain he had every capability to do so if he wanted to. He never did. In fact, I'd say there are at least a dozen characters who were perfectly capable of doing the same thing Doom was if they were so inclined. They just weren't so inclined. Acquisition of absolute power is in Doom's character. It is NOT evidence of any kind of superiority over everybody else.
Black Panther has used prep more successfully and more often than Doom. Without magic, without super enhanced armor or gauntlet blasts or forcefield or any of that. And that's not because Panther couldn't make any of that - it's because Panther CHOSE not to make any of that. He didn't need it. Panther is a better fighter, a better strategist, a more ruthless, less predictable warrior. In technological innovation, he's only a stutter step behind Doom. Wakanda going to war with Latveria would go in Wakanda's favor.
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Just to drive the point home:
-defeated the Fantastic Four with prep -successfully outplayed a game of risk against Dr. Doom
-along with Iron Man, outsmarted Killmonger and his rebels
-outsmarted the Azanian military
-outsmarted the Panther god
-used smarts, improvisation and cunning to defeat the Supremacists
-in a few words, created a tactical battle plan for Night Thrasher to defeat Hungyr
-tricked Iron Man, then beat him
-outsmarted Mephisto and defeated him. SEVERAL TIMES. WITHOUT MAGIC.
-outsmarted White Wolf, the Hatut Zeraze, the LCL, various rogue US Intelligence agencies, the Russian mobs, Achebe and his forces at once
-outsmarted Nightmare
-outsmarted Killmonger -masterfully played and manipulated a political/war game involving Ghaur and Kro (Lemuria), Doom (Latveria or Planet Doom), Magneto (Genosha), Namor (Atlantis) to prevent Global war, essentially outsmarting them all in the process
Doom stated in that storyline that Panther is one of the few he keeps constant watch over and sees him as a rival.
-outsmarted Malice II
-outsmarted Solomon Prey and his operation
-outsmarted the Black Dragon -outsmarted Iron Man and EVERYONE involved in Enemy of the State II (including DOOM), with lots and lots of impressive details involved
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I'm no more of a Magneto fan than you are a Hulk fan, and I've defended Magneto as vehemiently as you have Hulk. No more so. No less so. Why are you obsessing over the fact that I back Magneto when he's going against people whose powers are naturally going to be exploited by his?
Furthermore, I'm not going against Doom. I'm backing Panther. Because Panther is THAT DAMN GOOD. Panther has done just about everything Doom has done, with a higher success rate, and without any special inventions, devices or technology. As I said before, the only reason Panther never took over the universe like Doom did was because he chose not to. No other reason. That at least makes him a peer of Doom's. At least.
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No I don't.
I say Magneto is below Silver Surfer level. That puts him at mid-level Herald. I think that's accurate. I've voted against Magneto in a fight against Morg, against Terrax, and voted inconclusive against Nova and Firelord, etc. I think beating Thor is within his reach, with great effort, and that's probably his max. I'm hardly making him God, like you seem to think I am.
Panther didn't do what Doom do because he aren't wise enough to do it. I explain myself : Doom have the mental overall and knowledge to do everything if he want. His engineering intelligence are near Iron-man level, Doom tactical strategy is near Captain America one. Plus he know magic. Sorry but with one week of prep time Doom will create something you couldn't imagine to kill him in one shot. T'chala can't do what Doom do because he don't have the knowledge to make it. If you say the tactical strategy of BP is more efficient than Doom one you make a mistake. You have to think that they don't play in the same league level. Doom play on a universal plan, not BP.
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I'd argue the opposite. Doom has deeper knowledge of engineer and the occult, but Panther has much broader knowledge in all things. He seems better versed in finance, business, politics, psychology, military strategy. His combination of knowledge in everything is what makes him Doom's superior. Doom can't really think outside the box. Everything to him is along technological lines. What he can build to help him achieve what he wants? Panther's thought process is what can he do to help him achieve what he wants.
Doom could never have done what Panther did when he basically collapsed the entire world financial market. Doom doesn't have enough understanding of the basic human condition to do so.
Panther has outsmarted Doom before - he beat up a bunch of Doom bots and evaded Doom's sensors. Doom couldn't find him in his own castle. Panther KNEW where Doom would place them and did just the opposite to avoid being seen.
Like I said before, Panther doesn't plot on a universal level because he chooses not to. But given what he's done to people like Mephisto, RIPPING HIS HEART OUT, believe me, he's more than capable.
Again, Panther's overall body of work and successes in plotting in combat is better than Doom's, whose plotting mainly consists of building something. That's less impressive.
Put it this way - in a game of chicken, who would you back?
Ok but in a face to face what Panther can do? Make the world finance crash? Or evade sensor? "We can tell every thing doom have done to, who are not related to the this fight". Doom is more practical, he have what he need to face Panther in one on one fight when you want.
Demigawd, factor in the whole 'Villain' point, and you'll see why Panther seems to have this one on Doom.
All you've shown us is that Panther is a better politician then Doom. That's not gonna help much when Panther comes to the field with a neat suit, and Doom mind controls the three of them and puts them to work as butlers.