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Who can the Spectre Beat (in the marvel Universe)?

LT?
a Celestial?
Galactus?


What level do you guys think he's on?

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In the crossover, it said that Spectre and LT are "peers". I doubt that.


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why does everybody doubt that? i know its bcuz LT is listed with more respnsiblites. why, he has to govern the entire multiverse after all and manitain balance and order and make sure there isnt too much good or too much evil or magic or cosmic force, while Spectre just beats down anybody god tells him to, or who he feels has done wrong. and with LT even the abstracts and beyonder are beneath him in power level(braces self for the back lash from beyonder fanboys)

but has anyone ever thought for one minute that if the writers didnt feel like they were peers they wouldnt make them the representattives for thier respective universes in the first place?...... just something to think about. besides with regards to the crossover the only thing that was grossly inaccurate was superman knocking out juggy with one SINGLE punch, and wolverine beating LOBO, but everything was pretty accurate IMO. in fact if you check the ratio the only reason everyone is claiming not to like it is becuase Superman beat the B1tch outta hulk, and fanboys dont believe that the hulk can lose to anybidy for whatever reason.

Whew, had to stop myself there for a minute. I remember sometime last year i wrote a couple of lenghty essays in a few threads about beyonder lt and Spectre respectively, i guess it just got old blood boiling.

but to the question at hand, Spectre beats every single person or entity in th MU thats below LT. everyone of them.....even the beyonder(yeah i said it)


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How long has.. Hal is it? How long has he been Spectre?


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I agree about the crossover...everything in it seemed accurate besides the Wolverine/Lobo deal. And superman didn't beat the *** out of any hulk. He defeat a non-savage hulk, but not easily. So that was quite accurate...this isn't to say that a savage angry hulk wouldnt' be able to deal superman some serious pain.


I donno about LT and Spectre being the same power level though. It' skinda unclear how powerful the Spectre is.

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Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna
How long has.. Hal is it? How long has he been Spectre?

about 5-7 years I think. But he's not spectre any more. Spectre left and is needing a new host

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Originally posted by demigawd
In the crossover, it said that Spectre and LT are "peers". I doubt that.

Well, spectre at full potential is kind of equivilent to LT, although slightly less powerful.
I dont think there is anyone else in Marve Besides LT and TOAA that would stand a snowballs chance in hell against spectre.

Spectre has rebelled agaisnt god at least 5 times, and each time, michael handed his asss to him, so the top DC charachters asre WAY above the top marvel ones

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The spectre is just Presence's slave , he grants him power to do curtain task.

his no where near LT's level , but if Presence needed him to do a task that is qual to Lt then he will be his equal.

From what i heard Spectre couldn't even do jack shit to a common criminal , because his presence slave.

while LT has all the power he needs.

Spectre full powered by Prence will be equal to LT other than that his not that big of a deal.


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Best explanation I've heard. I think that answers my question.

These boards sometimes make me think comics are written really terribly. But responses like this remind me that, though some outliers are terrible, most comics are somewhat logical. There's just a lot of idiot posters who think Batman can beat Wolverine in a fist fight. A


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The spectre is just Presence's slave , he grants him power to do curtain task.

his no where near LT's level , but if Presence needed him to do a task that is qual to Lt then he will be his equal.

From what i heard Spectre couldn't even do jack shit to a common criminal , because his presence slave.

while LT has all the power he needs.

Spectre full powered by Prence will be equal to LT other than that his not that big of a deal.

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Another crap thing in MARVEL VS DC was Superboy losing to Spider-Man.He goes fist to fist with Valor, a Daxamite, and cannot beat down Spider-Man?Crap writing

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Yeah, that was in the "Identity Crisis" storyline, kgkg. Spectre couldn't stop a murder because that wasn't his task assigned by the Presence, even though he knew who did it, when and where it would occur, etc., before hand and could have stopped it outright easily. If the Presence commissioned Spectre to kill anyone up to LT, he could do it easily because that's his purpose (though the Phoenix Force may be a task for him because she can be reborn after being 'killed' due to being the embodiment of life, so maybe if he absorbed her he could do it. So long as anything lives Phoenix exists).

The weird thing about the DC power hierarchy now is that since The Presence killed himself, well, better yet, he was killed by the Saint of Killers aka Angel of Death [which makes no sense because God, even not fully powered, should be beyond death because he is the progenitor of the concept], so now Spectre should no longer be able to attain full power because the Presence can no longer empower him to his extremes, and really, since their is no longer a God's wrath for the Spectre to embody (because there is no God in DC) Spectre should be a jabroni now.

As for LT, his weakness is that his 3 minds have to be in agreement to act on anything. He doesn't just jump into combat, he's not even a hero, that's not his purpose. LT simply keeps EVERYTHING under God in balance. Death and destruction is part of the balance. Millions may die unjustly because of a supervillain and LT doesn't act, but on the flipside, when you have superheroes flying around saving millions of people that would normally have died without their interference, it balances out. It's only when someone starts wiping out entire galaxies or threatening the 50:50 life/death ratio, or threatens to destroy a universe in the Marvel Multiverse that LT usually steps in. So long as things are functioning within their purpose, LT stays out of it (for example, the Time Twisters). Now, on the occasion where Thanos merged with the power of GOD, the HOTU, he essentially became LT's boss. Why LT didn't see that coming and stop Thanos before hand makes no sense to me (could be a hollow plot device, could be that LT can't judge preemptively).

I really don't know, but for all intents and purposes, LT is the judge, jury, caretaker, and if necessary, executioner of everything under God, and is empowered within himself, independently, to carry out his tasks to keep order.

Spectre is the embodiment of God's Wrath/Anger/Vengence/Retribution, and is bound by the will of the Presence to act. He can't just go slaying everyone under God unless God (The Presence) willed him to do so. But in that lies another question:

Could The Presence have Spectre kill someone like Lucifer or Michael in DC?


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Originally posted by K3VIL
Another crap thing in MARVEL VS DC was Superboy losing to Spider-Man.He goes fist to fist with Valor, a Daxamite, and cannot beat down Spider-Man?Crap writing


i disagree, Superboy, though more powerful than Spider-man, was very inexperienced at the time they fought

as for Spectre......... well he could beat almost everyone under LT, there are other beings who would be tough for him, like the Infinites


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Thanos: The End was stupid. They just waned to have it be more serious than the IG and Cube so they had LT fall at Thanos' feet as well.

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Yeah, that was in the "Identity Crisis" storyline, kgkg. Spectre couldn't stop a murder because that wasn't his task assigned by the Presence, even though he knew who did it, when and where it would occur, etc., before hand and could have stopped it outright easily. If the Presence commissioned Spectre to kill anyone up to LT, he could do it easily because that's his purpose (though the Phoenix Force may be a task for him because she can be reborn after being 'killed' due to being the embodiment of life, so maybe if he absorbed her he could do it. So long as anything lives Phoenix exists).

The weird thing about the DC power hierarchy now is that since The Presence killed himself, well, better yet, he was killed by the Saint of Killers aka Angel of Death [which makes no sense because God, even not fully powered, should be beyond death because he is the progenitor of the concept], so now Spectre should no longer be able to attain full power because the Presence can no longer empower him to his extremes, and really, since their is no longer a God's wrath for the Spectre to embody (because there is no God in DC) Spectre should be a jabroni now.

As for LT, his weakness is that his 3 minds have to be in agreement to act on anything. He doesn't just jump into combat, he's not even a hero, that's not his purpose. LT simply keeps EVERYTHING under God in balance. Death and destruction is part of the balance. Millions may die unjustly because of a supervillain and LT doesn't act, but on the flipside, when you have superheroes flying around saving millions of people that would normally have died without their interference, it balances out. It's only when someone starts wiping out entire galaxies or threatening the 50:50 life/death ratio, or threatens to destroy a universe in the Marvel Multiverse that LT usually steps in. So long as things are functioning within their purpose, LT stays out of it (for example, the Time Twisters). Now, on the occasion where Thanos merged with the power of GOD, the HOTU, he essentially became LT's boss. Why LT didn't see that coming and stop Thanos before hand makes no sense to me (could be a hollow plot device, could be that LT can't judge preemptively).

I really don't know, but for all intents and purposes, LT is the judge, jury, caretaker, and if necessary, executioner of everything under God, and is empowered within himself, independently, to carry out his tasks to keep order.

Spectre is the embodiment of God's Wrath/Anger/Vengence/Retribution, and is bound by the will of the Presence to act. He can't just go slaying everyone under God unless God (The Presence) willed him to do so. But in that lies another question:

Could The Presence have Spectre kill someone like Lucifer or Michael in DC?

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"Thanos: The End was stupid. They just waned to have it be more serious than the IG and Cube so they had LT fall at Thanos' feet as well."

couldn't have said it better myself.

ya The HOUTO just made him GOd.

wan't he almost GOd with IG , he capture all the cosmic entity the true purpose of HOTU was to beat LT. It made im External and Beyond any any force in MU , with IG , only LT had the power to stop him.

i agree with the illadelph12

Could The Presence have Spectre kill someone like Lucifer or Michael in DC?

well doesn't God have the Power to do anything??
well that's how GOd should be anyway.

Could The Presence have Spectre kill someone like Lucifer or Michael in DC?
i whould think so , Spectre has all of Presence's powers if the Presence wants him to have.

And presence is Above all yes even above Lucifer or Michael

if his not then the system is really messed up.

And how the f*uck does GOd causes it's own Demise that was retarted.


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Wonder Woman loosing to Storm..that can't be accurate.

Also Quicksilver keeping up with teh speed of the Flash? Or was Flash just going slow?

Captain Marvel loosing by having a Ferris Wheel dropped on him, and turning back into Billy? Couldn't he pick it up if he can beat Superman?

But that's way off topic..


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Sometimes it's funny we know more about the Charecters and their powers, what right and wrong then the Writers themselves.


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i kinda find it hard to believe that The Saint of Killers really did kill the The Presence seeing that The Spectre and everything else in the DC Universe is still standing and alive. also in rebirth The Spectre says that his Lord is calling to him and he must leave NOW. so what does that mean?? The Presence is alive and well like he will alway be and forever.


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which comic is it where Saint Of Killers kills The Presence.....


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Depends on what power level Spectre we're talking about. Your avaerage spectre could probably take out everyone but cosmically powered beings. The full power spectre is the same status as marvels LT although im not sure if his power level/abilities are equal thats debatable.


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The Saint supposedly killed God in the Preacher comic book which is not in DC Continuity, which means it seperates Vertigo/DC Universe from the Preachers, in the Vergito/DC Universe, God/The Presence is suppose to be over All of ther comic books which puts him over the preachers god.


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