first of all sephiroth don't need to do his super nova or call the meteor or any other of his amazing magics to turn gandalf into dust.It's like call a wheal to beat a goldfish. Secont I've heard from someone that Gantalf can blind Sephiroth with his stuff!!!Well (let's sreak seriously) Sephiroth do not need nothing more than teleport behind Gantalf and he will make him that wha we call in Greece "soublaki" which is many pieces of meat
all together with a stick
This is classified as a "versus" forum, hence notice the subforum called "Games 'Versus' Forum". Get a mod to move this thread to that specific forum, so it won't clog issues in the Comp/Videogame discussion.
gandalf would win... he's lead many to victory over his 2 lifetimes lol.. (considering the powers that be gave him a second chance to turn the tide) .. what does some megalomaniac have on that?.. pfft...
But what powers has Gandalf shown that could beat Sephiroth. I've read 'The Hobbit' and "The Lord Of The Rings' trilogy the best he's done was a lightning bolt in 'The Hobbit' against some goblins and the nightlight that scares away evil. Sephiroth is stronger, faster has (as far as I can tell) more potent destructive magic and not an ounce of mercy. No one has been able to explain to me why Gandalf will win. He's led many to victory, so what? He doesn't have an army or party of heroes to lead this time. He's a master swordsman. So's Sephiroth. He went through extensive traing almost all of his life. No one has given me one reason to even consider Gandalf for victory. What does one megalomaniac have on that? From the looks of things everything.
Gandalf used only what was needed to complete his exploits... he showed bilbo a sample of his power to display that he was "No conjuror of cheap tricks".. during that sequence where bilbo got out of line when he asked to see the ring.. so Im sure if gandalf used his full power, it would be really vicious
There was no seriously dire need to use Gandalf's full potential in the story. Remember, he's supposed to be old and wise, so he can basically think of better ways to solve the problem. Which meant that he didn't use his full power, duh...
Which means no one has any basis to say he's stronger than Sephiroth. If we've never seen his full power then all you can give is speculation. So what if he's old and wise? Wisdom ain't gonna do squat against Sephiroth in a fight. He's never shown that he can cause damage on a grand scale, and that sequence Satsugin was talking about, he got a little bigger, made the shadows darker and his voice hollow and louder. What, you think Sephiroth's gonig to be afraid of that. No one on this thread has given a clear reason on why Gandalf will beat Sephiroth. Gandalf is a manipulator who gets other people to do the work. On his own the best he did was beat that fire demon thing. I've given proof of Sephiroth's power and they surpass that easily.
gandalf was meant to die at that point.. LoTR isnt supposed to be like an anime where he does some huge kamehameha and then sauron gets pwned and the ring is teleported to mordor resulting in the end of the movie in a 10 minute span.. its too easy to go "omg this character cracks mountains by looking at them".. thats sorta boring.. like I said , gandalf didnt use much of his powers because they werent necessary... you saw sarumon.. he changed the weather just by chanting into to the wind.. different wizards use different spells is all
I'm not saying that, but no one has given any valid points on why Gandalf will win the fight except that he's a master swordsman. Well thats no good if Sephiroth casts Bolt 3 is it. If Gandalf didn't use much of his powers then no one can give a real estimate on what he could do going all out. It's all speculation and I can't debate against that. You say Gandalf can change the weather by chanting. Well I'll be the first to admit that's a cool power, but how long does he take to do this? Can he control the weather he's created and make it do what he wants? I know it sounds like I want Gandalf to blow up small continents by blinking but I don't. I just want someone to give my a relevant breakdown of his abilities and why they would allow him to beat Sephiroth.
Dire need: When the Balrog tried to smash him to pieces with that big flaming sword.
Yep, he used a shield charm, but remember, he was GREY before, now he's WHITE, the master rank of wizardry. Saruman is white; look at the magic he did, as Satsujin said before, changed the weather by makingthis big blizzard by chanting and holding up his staff.
And look how Gandalf defeated him, rather easily by the look of it. This proves that Gandalf can also create this storm without too much effort.
Other than that there was not really dire needs, except when ol'
Theoden was screwed up, and he had to use sorcerous blast a coupla times.
Fair enough, he did do that as a grey wizard and I admit being a White Wizard made him stronger than Saruman. But from what I gather from Theoden's recovery and Saruman (who I was pretty sure got beaten by the Ents) it looked more like he was going for mental abilites. Now given that Sephy is insane and was rather easily controlled by Jenova that could be an advantage. I'm still not convinced but thanks for giving me something to think about Dark.
Fair enough, he did do that as a grey wizard and I admit being a White Wizard made him stronger than Saruman. But from what I gather from Theoden's recovery and Saruman (who I was pretty sure got beaten by the Ents) it looked more like he was going for mental abilites. Now given that Sephy is insane and was rather easily controlled by Jenova that could be an advantage. I'm still not convinced but thanks for giving me something to think about Dark.
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