So has Doom and Puma, and I think also Punisher and Quicksilver (not sure though).
Spider-Man dodges lasers and bullets (sometimes at the same time). Somehow I don't think that the shield of CA will give him much trouble.
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Spiderman can land a punch onto the human Capt. America head and punch it off. Spiderman has Ssuper human strength and can lift 10 tons. What do you think any of his hits will do to a human, and Spiderman will catch him because he is faster than Capt.
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Spider-Man's powers rends him more supersoldier than Cap can ever dream to be.Cap is out of his league.
Protocide give him major troubles, so Spidey can wipe him out.
That much adrenaline for Cao is definitely not healthy and, to be honest, I don't think Cap putting ALL of his adrenaline into play is enough to match Spidey. I just can't see the human body learning to deal with all that adrenaline much less reaching it in the first place. And it's like I said, Cap's body can't eliminate chemicals in the human body fast enough to deal with someone who has danced around the Hulk for hours on end like Spidey has, he'll probably tire after an hour or so assuming Spidey doesn't just kill him with a one punch finisher.
And you're second point has proven my own point: Cap is human, that's how he's been portrayed in comics, multiple bios, etc.....he CANNOT do the stuff in comics that he's been portrayed to do when challeneged to do so in the REAL world from a reasonable and realistic standpoint.
And no, flat plains and desert does not get rid of aerial combat for Spidey, again, Spidey has a 30 ft (maybe higher) vertical leap. Combine that with reflexes that'll utilize contortions to avoid a shield throw from Cap on demand, agility, and elasticity that'll allow Spidey to attack Cap from almost any angle in the air and the sudden elimination of use of webbing need not be an issue. And Spidey has a unique style of his own that's gone unmatched for as long as he's been in comics, okay, now couple that with superior reflexes to Cap combined with the spider sense, the obvious advantage Spidey has once he goes aerial, and the staggering strength advantage Spidey could put into play at any time for an instant win and I'd say Spidey could take himn in HTH combat, simply becuase he's already got a leg or so up on any of the moves Cap could dish out.
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i like the contrast of answers between StrawNilla and Darth_Nefarus......... lol......... both making the same point, one with no argument and the other with too much.........lol
In an all-out, hand to hand combat between these two, 'Im gonna go with Spiderman %100, man. I'm talking about a fist fight using no powers or weapns. Spiderman hands down and if anyone disagress with that then they must not know anything.
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This post is ridiculous. Spider-man wins easily. Technically, Spider-man is never suposed to get hit. Marvel says that Spider-man's spidersense jerks him outer of danger (even before the attack happens) without his knowledge. Writers have Spidey getting hit because they cannot think of a way for him to have adversity (this is the truth). Have you ever wondered why Doc Ock doesn't die instantly from getting punched by Spidey (in some cases he doesn't even suffer a scratch). Doc is human for crying out loud. His face bones should be shattered in a million pieces (since Spidey can shatter stone, wood, steel, with one punch). Spidey simply cannot be hit. Technically, Spider-man is superior to most super powered beings. He is able to lift over 50 tons (his actual max strength goes into unchartered territory) when under stress. He can move at speeds as fast as sound under stress (becoming a blur, invisible, or multiples of himself). He can endure tremendous amounts of concussive force (bombs, hits by Hulk, etc.). Technically, there is zero way for Cap to hit Spidey. Also it is IMPOSSIBLE for Cap not to get hit by Spidey. Common sense should tell anyone that " One cannot defend that is which too fast for him/her to react to." Captain America has no defense (he has only peak human reflexes). Heck I even seed slow moving enemies hit Cap. There is no amount of fighting ability to combat this. It is a supreme fallacy to say that since Cap has great fighting ability he can win. This is utter nonsense.
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i know that Spidey's bios always say 10 tons but that was at first, most would agree he's gotten a bit stronger over the years but 50 tons may be pushing it.... i'm not arguing that under extreme stress situations that he has gone well beyond 10 tons...... to maybe weight approaching 30-40... but i think 50 is too much
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It's posts like the 2 above Scoobles that makes cement my stance on Cap taking Spidey. Who-Kid, Scooble, and Straw make me teeder-totter between the two.
Captain America is a much, much better hand to hand fighter than Spiderman. Spiderman has enough durability to take almost anything Captain America can throw at him. The only acception would be a direct blow with his shield to the back of the neck, head, or a shot to the temple
Spiderman has never proven himself able to lift 50 tons. He has, on numerous occasions, lifted more than 10 tons, but that is because marvel statistics state he can "press" 10 tons. He is able to support or squat significantly more because it's a fact....legs are stronger than arms.
One big factor I don't think people have really argued about that I feel needs attention.....will Spidey's web stick to the surface of Cap's shield?
If it does, then Spidey can yank the shield right out of his hands. If it doesn't, I'm quite sure Cap is fully capable of blocking almost any web based attack.
i think his webs can't stick to vibranium, so it may not be able to adhere to the surface of caps shield, however, the webs do tend to wrap around things on impact and could stick to the back of the shield or one of the straps cap uses to hold it
but if Cap gets webbing on himself then he's pretty much screwed
Let's just say we don't have a reason to assume why his web wouldn't be able to stick on his shield. It isn't vibranium, but an alloy made of vibranium and adamantium.
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If Luke Cage can't rip the webs (see New Avengers #4), then Cap
certainly won't be able to break them. Cap will give Spiderman a
good fight. That's a lot of credit to Cap, but he's just TOO overmatched.
Spiderman could theoretically just walk up to Cap, take a bunch of hits,
and bear-hug him to death. Not that this would ever happen, but the
point is that the power-level between these two is so lop-sided.
oh and his webs dont stick to vibranium cuz it vibrates at millions of ______per sec.(whatever the designated measurer is) octaves i think?or maybe ocillates(i may have made that on up)according to that new villain with the vibranium suit
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