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Are the Sith really Evil? Honestly
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Hewhoknowsall
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Originally posted by mattatom
So preserving your own life makes you evil?


He ENJOYED their suffering and it gave them strength.

He even tried to make it SLOW and DELAY it in order to build up the moment.

He also contemplated killing someone that had just saved his life.


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Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
He ENJOYED their suffering and it gave them strength.

He even tried to make it SLOW and DELAY it in order to build up the moment.

He also contemplated killing someone that had just saved his life.
So I would ENJOY an oppurtunity that would give me a chance to live.
That sounds like a epuphemism for an orgasm which yes you would slow it and delay it to make it a helluva lot better.

So? I contemplate killing people all the time. Have I killed them all? No, just one of them. I also give generously, i am a magnanimous person, am I evil?


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He made it slow becuase that would give him more power, which he needed so he wouldn't die. Bane isn't a mindless killer and he doesn't enjoy hurting people.


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Hewhoknowsall
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Lord Kaan's (we're talking about all sith) thoughts:

"He relished their suffering and despair; even now he could sense it rising up like the stench from the broken corpses scattered about the valley"

And this wasn't because his life was in peril: he simply relished peoples' suffering.

How twisted can someone get?

The sith code says that peace is a lie. They actually want war and suffering.


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I hate the absolute morality line. I just don't by that every single person that supported the Empire KNEW of, and was AWARE of the atrocities that took place.


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Hewhoknowsall
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I hate the absolute morality line. I just don't by that every single person that supported the Empire KNEW of, and was AWARE of the atrocities that took place.


Of course not; this is stated NUMEROUS times. For example, Star Wars: Death Star was basically about imperials recognizing the evilness and tyranny of the Empire.

When the Death Star blew up, one of them said that not everyone on the Death Star was a monster.


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Autokrat
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Really when you look at the Sith Code and philosophy, its been almost ripped wholesale from Nietzsche.


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truejedi
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yeah, the Sith are bad news. The whole empire wasn't bad, remember the Empourer's Fist?

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A very good question - Caedus was willing to destroy the galaxy to protect Allana. He wanted 'peace,' but he figured as Ben put it "total control."

Some Sith become Sith for reasons they thought would be right. Anakin thought he could save Padme for example. As tragic as it was, he was willing to kill innocents to save her. That's hardly not being evil. Sith manipulate, lie, murder and lust for absolute power. If that's not evil, then what is?


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Whether or not you like the moral absolutism of Star Wars and the Sith being evil, it's how it is.


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Hewhoknowsall
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Originally posted by Bespin Bart
Whether or not you like the moral absolutism of Star Wars and the Sith being evil, it's how it is.


GL doesn't decide morality.

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A very good question - Caedus was willing to destroy the galaxy to protect Allana. He wanted 'peace,' but he figured as Ben put it "total control."

Some Sith become Sith for reasons they thought would be right. Anakin thought he could save Padme for example. As tragic as it was, he was willing to kill innocents to save her. That's hardly not being evil. Sith manipulate, lie, murder and lust for absolute power. If that's not evil, then what is?


Sith that aren't TRULY "evil":

Caedus
Dooku?
Vader in his early years


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truejedi
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problem being, the darkside corrupted any sith who tried to be sith for good reason to be evil.

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Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
GL doesn't decide morality.
When it comes to his universe, he does.



quote:
Sith that aren't TRULY "evil":

Caedus
Dooku?
Vader in his early years
Dooku was very evil.


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Lord Lucien
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Yeah, a lot of people are fooled by his grace and noble stature. But that guy was a bastard.


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Originally posted by Lord Lucien
Yeah, a lot of people are fooled by his grace and noble stature. But that guy was a bastard.
He was Sidious's whiny b*tch. Damn GL.


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Leave the scene lookin' like Vietnam
Might as well call him "Matt Atom Bomb"
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And this fool - he likes DC Comics
Two energy swords make up his symbol
And trust me, dawg, this homie's nimble

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Originally posted by Echuu
yeah thought so

it'd be nice if george would clear that up for us


I think George lets people make up their own minds.
He has said, in regards to the Sith - "Evil people don't think they are commiting evil. They think they are doing good, from their point of view." For the Sith, they believe they are embracing what the Force can grant them, willing to take the risks the Jedi won't. Maybe every one of them thought they could beat the trap of the dark side (that it makes you power hungry and paranoid), but they all fail.


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The Sith can think they're doing the right thing all they want, that doesn't mean they are. Really, there is an obvious moral absolutism in Star Wars- Good vs. Bad, Light vs. Dark. No in-betweens or amiguous morality. It's a discussion that has been done a million times over on KMC.

As Sids66 responded to you, Hewhoknowsall, Lucas very much can decide what the morality is of his work.


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Lord Lucien
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The Sith can think they're doing the right thing all they want, that doesn't mean they are. Really, there is an obvious moral absolutism in Star Wars- Good vs. Bad, Light vs. Dark. No in-betweens or amiguous morality. It's a discussion that has been done a million times over on KMC.
But what of the regular Joes? The ones who don't know shit about the evil-doings of their overlords, but still support the regime? Moral absolutists would claim that their ignorance is no excuse.


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But what of the regular Joes? The ones who don't know shit about the evil-doings of their overlords, but still support the regime? Moral absolutists would claim that their ignorance is no excuse.
You mean like the people from the Novel "Death Star" where it shows you what happens from their PoV and how they feel?


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Every time this fool be come along
He gots you noobs cryin' out fo' mom
Leave the scene lookin' like Vietnam
Might as well call him "Matt Atom Bomb"
Like his name suggests, he's quite atomic
And this fool - he likes DC Comics
Two energy swords make up his symbol
And trust me, dawg, this homie's nimble

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Lord Lucien
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Wish I'd read that. But yeah, sure.


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