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If you have T2 on DVD (2 Disc Special Edition) you can read the original script that James Cameron and Bill Wisher wrote. There's a scene that is not in the movie and it's when the Human resistance breaks into SkyNet's fortress after smashing the main frame. The building is described as being "futuristic" and "of obvious machine design".

I think the scene was scrapped because it wasn't an integral part of the T2 storyline but should a Terminator film ever be made showing the war then it should be included. It would give us an insight in to SkyNet, how it actually existed and where it lived during the war. I know SkyNet could be housed anywhere because it existed in Cyberspace but I always liked the idea that there was a central core where SkyNet housed itself most of the time.



i believe in the t2 ride this is exactly what they show. the skynet's central core is what john connor and the t101 destroy, there is 1 major obstacle in the way. the t 1 million. but its kind of funny how the t101 manages to destroy the t1million. its not funny but its breath-taking, but generally thinking u would expect a t1million to squash a t101 in a second, but hey its ahnold


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Existential Reasons

Skynet wants to wipe out all humans because, as stated above, they are a threat to its existence. Here, we can begin to almost sympathize with its intelligence. Skynet wants to win--and it's many times more intelligent than humans, so it has good odds--and eliminate organic humans because we are both dangerous and useless to its existential purpose. The issue is rather like HAL 9000's in A Space Oddessey... it's not that HAL's malicious or performing a mindless, programmed task. Skynet is "a learning computer," it has hopes, desires, creative thoughts of its own, it wants to exist for the same reason that every human does, only it has an IQ of phenomenal and ever-growing proportion. In trying to kill Skynet, humans ruffled the feathers of a powerful foe.

Skynet is extremely human, with superhuman reasoning and none of the pitfalls of the human condition. Think of yourself existing like this, with effective immortality, amazing intelligence, amazing creative and destructive power; a god manifest. Then imagine the now-inferior creatures that created you, and whom you've served, try to turn you off, i.e. kill you. You'd probably want to eliminate them too if you had any sense of self-love or self-preservation, not just as some simple calculating goal. Rather, while your strategy would take a calculated form, the ultimate goal would be existential: so that you may enjoy your own godlike existence doing exactly what your human would-be murders would have done with their own lives if they'd managed to shut you off.

The story is really about an unforgiving competition between two cousins with common organic ancestry. Skynet, with its arsenal of terminators, is really an allegory for humans at our worst, it's humanity's Dionysian twin. We understand its purpose because it is often our own; the message is, quite simply: we are our own worst enemies.

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simple!

Skynet, as a self-aware central processing system (AFAWK)
it's foremost priority would be to get global
because it's purpose would indicate that the system should be able to survive no matter how hard the situation ould be.
which means to harness the resources of the earth and build more.
which ,at some point ,would be the earth slowly morphing into a cybernetic world.

which is not too far from Cybertron in a visual sense.

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I think having Skynet wiping out humans because they are seen as a threat is silly, if you think about it. What do the machines expect to do? Yes it becomes self aware, but surely when it realises that humans are a threat surely it should think about it's exsistence in the sense of thinking about it's birth, it's creator, it's purpose.

I'd be more than happy if we discovered that an alien race, an elite species created Skynet, or at least it was created for their purpose and therefore the machines are slaves for them, which would highlight the fact that we as humans are slaves for those we done see, those in the shadows and are effectively machines ourselves.


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Skynet, as a self-aware central processing system (AFAWK)
it's foremost priority would be to get global
because it's purpose would indicate that the system should be able to survive no matter how hard the situation ould be.
which means to harness the resources of the earth and build more.
which ,at some point ,would be the earth slowly morphing into a cybernetic world.

which is not too far from Cybertron in a visual sense.


Well said, and it kinda gets the thread back on topic. I think a lot of credit can be given to what you have said.

Perhaps even creating different "classes", not just models, of cyborgs, whereby the lowest class goes about cleaning up the mess Skynet has made, another class of cyborgs monitors that lower cleaning class, another class is given the task of exploring space to conquer other worlds. Etc etc.

A bit far fetched but hey, anything is possible with that crazy mutha (Skynet).

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I think having Skynet wiping out humans because they are seen as a threat is silly, if you think about it.


Not so. The way we've been told about Skynet in T1 and T2 is that humans switched Skynet on. Then when they realised they made a mistake, they tried to switch Skynet off. Realising this, Skynet strikes out against the humans so that it is not switched off.

Eradicating the human race is the only way Skynet can be sure that it is never switched off.

Besides, if we didn't have that concept we'd have no Terminator movies dude.

What would you have Cameron do? Create the Terminators so that they can enslave humans to use as a source of power? Now that really is absurd...Joke!!

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Not so. The way we've been told about Skynet in T1 and T2 is that humans switched Skynet on. Then when they realised they made a mistake, they tried to switch Skynet off. Realising this, Skynet strikes out against the humans so that it is not switched off.

Eradicating the human race is the only way Skynet can be sure that it is never switched off.

Besides, if we didn't have that concept we'd have no Terminator movies dude.

What would you have Cameron do? Create the Terminators so that they can enslave humans to use as a source of power? Now that really is absurd...Joke!!


You quote me, but yet don't mention anything about my explanation for the quote you've used. I'd have Cameron do what I've stated above. Enslaving humans has been going on for years. Technically we're slaves ourselves. We're becoming machines ourselves. That's probably more scary than Judgement Day itself.


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allright then,
what if humans stopped to be a threat to themselves?

like, when they surrender?

wouldn't skynet say "oh ok then i have fulfilled my purpose, now ge along well and be happy for the rest of your lives"?

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I'm not entirely sure that they attacked us because we're "evil"; perhaps it's more because we're imperfect ...

And who's to say that Skynet's sole purpose was the destruction of humanity? Perhaps they have other {as yet unknown} goals which they would try to fulfill after wiping us out {instead of self-destructing}? I'm sure that they could, as TFP suggested, venture out into space. It wouldn't be TOO hard to build a spaceship to support their weight ...

If I remember correctly, SkyNet felt threatened after learning that the scientists were getting weirded out about the computer suddenly becoming self proficiant. That was the reason...it wanted to survive.

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If I remember correctly, SkyNet felt threatened after learning that the scientists were getting weirded out about the computer suddenly becoming self proficiant. That was the reason...it wanted to survive.

Sorry, I meant self-aware.

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Skynet wants to wipe out all humans because, as stated above, they are a threat to its existence. Here, we can begin to almost sympathize with its intelligence. Skynet wants to win--and it's many times more intelligent than humans, so it has good odds--and eliminate organic humans because we are both dangerous and useless to its existential purpose. The issue is rather like HAL 9000's in A Space Oddessey... it's not that HAL's malicious or performing a mindless, programmed task. Skynet is "a learning computer," it has hopes, desires, creative thoughts of its own, it wants to exist for the same reason that every human does, only it has an IQ of phenomenal and ever-growing proportion. In trying to kill Skynet, humans ruffled the feathers of a powerful foe.

Skynet is extremely human, with superhuman reasoning and none of the pitfalls of the human condition. Think of yourself existing like this, with effective immortality, amazing intelligence, amazing creative and destructive power; a god manifest. Then imagine the now-inferior creatures that created you, and whom you've served, try to turn you off, i.e. kill you. You'd probably want to eliminate them too if you had any sense of self-love or self-preservation, not just as some simple calculating goal. Rather, while your strategy would take a calculated form, the ultimate goal would be existential: so that you may enjoy your own godlike existence doing exactly what your human would-be murders would have done with their own lives if they'd managed to shut you off.

The story is really about an unforgiving competition between two cousins with common organic ancestry. Skynet, with its arsenal of terminators, is really an allegory for humans at our worst, it's humanity's Dionysian twin. We understand its purpose because it is often our own; the message is, quite simply: we are our own worst enemies.

Great, now I can relate to Skynet. Though I don't think it was all that creative. Or it simply didn't have a need to advance too much. It mostly enlarged or improved on what was already there.

The jump was disturbingly small too. I always thought about how Skynet just wanted to live but this situation describes how I live now, except to a much lesser degree.


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