Remember Leia is a force adept too, she didn't know it, but she was. I think when Leia is born she sees Padme before she dies and that image stays with her the rest of her life, remember Leia said that her mom "looked sad" IE she knew she was going to die soon. Luke maybe never got a chance to glance at Padme.
EXACTLY! Because Bail's wife would be sad to. The galaxy is in turmoil, the Republic she no doubt loves as much as Bail has been swept away. And a good family friend is dead, her daughter a constant reminder of the loss. Bail's wife would look just as sad.
It could honestly mean either, maybe it is impressions in the force. But its just as plausible that Leia doesn't understand the question. Its not like she goes by the name Leia Skywalker... she goes by Organa. Bottom line: Lucas needs to clear this up one way or another. Its just too vague.
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Guys...some of you are missing the point. What does Luke ask Leia?
"Do you remember your mother. Your REAL mother?"
Why would Luke ask it like that? As opposed to her fake mother? Yes Precisely. I imagine somewhere in their long relationship prior to ROTJ, Luke and Leia talked about their parents. at least their fake parents. Do you ever ask you friends, "So whats up with your mother? Your REAL mother?" You could only ask that if you knew they had an adoptive parent. Somewhere along the lines Bail told Leia that she was adopted.
Think of it. Otherwise when Luke tells her they are bro and sis she'd be like "what are you smoking? My dad is Bail and my mom is (whomever). Go eff yourself" She could only embrace it so quickly if she knew she was adopted.
And how much of an effort would it have taken for Lucas to reinforce the Leia/Padme moment in the script/film? 15 seconds more? Just a little wink. Just a little nudge.
I swear. Some of you pretend to know Star Wars but you ignore highlighted pieces of information from the movies you claim to understand.
I still have hope there is a scene with Padme looking upon Leia...it's something he may throw in there for us, it could be a surprise. Not in the novel, or comics, just the movie, a quick look is all I need!
Seems to me like she's always questioned her parents and her heretige. Like a feeling of not really belonging. The scene between her and Luke is not a great earth shattering announcement to here. Just confirmation, she merely accepts what she's subconsciously known all along.
There is no indication anywhere that she even knew she was adopted and we can't simply assume that fact.
In that scene from ROTJ I always got the impression that Leia spent some time with her mother, enough for her to remember. Yet we know that [SPOILER - highlight to read]: Padme dies moments after giving birth
So it is simply not logical for Padme to be the mother Leia remembers. Though all it takes is for a single glance between mother and daughter I doubt we will get it.
A baby who is only a minute old would seriously be struggling to remember what her mother looks like.... considering it takes a few weeks for a baby to actually be able to focus, let alone tell a sad face from a happy one.
Like I said, Leia has the Force, and that could somehow translate into helping her memory, even from child birth. There's no indication to say otherwise, it's just my theory afterall.
Luke: Leia....do you remember your mother? your real mother?
Leai: Just a little bit. She died when I was very young
Luke: What do you remember?
Leia: Just... images, really. Feelings [[*note the plural, more than one image, more than one feeling*]]
Luke: Tell me.
Leia: (a little suprised at his insistance) She was very beautiful. Kind but..... (looks up) sad. Why are you asking me this?
He is looking away
Luke: I have no memory of my mother. I never knew her.
To me this is Luke thinking that Leia had actually lived with their mother....their 'true mother' He has the force too yet possesses no memory of her, no images, no feelings. He obviously has no idea what happens to Padme and is perhaps a little jealous that Leia got to live with their 'true mother'
If GL is going to answer this question he's going to be pushing it with just a fleeting glance.....
Definitely I think the fact that Luke is born first is also absolutely baffling.
When I heard that Padme dies, I immediately thought "well that means, in order for it to work on even the SMALLEST level, Leia should be born first".
The best way would have been to have Leia born first, been with Padme for at least a minute or so, and then maybe Luke is born a few seconds before she dies, long enough for her to name him.
I mean, the fact that Leia would have force-sensed her would have been good enough for me. The fact that Leia would have felt Padmes pain and sadness through the birth of Luke and her death would have made sense, on a force-level. But nowit's just a bit, well, pushing it, I think.
*gets bored talking about George Lucas' ineptitude with logic*
I wouldn't be surprised that by the time of the movie and all of the little changes have been done, if Jar Jar is performing the delivery and accidentally "hilariously" kills Padme, and Luke has to slice his own way out of Padme with a lightsaber.
you posted the dialogue yet still do not get the point... if i am going to ask you about your mother... i am not going to say i mean your REAL mother... why would that be in the script? it means Luke knows she was adopted. If he didn't think she was adopted he would say your mother, i mean well your mother what do u remember? not REAL
and for you to try to detail it that maybe Bail's wife died when she was young and she didn't kno and Bail's wife would have been sad etc. no that is such a weak fight. Seeing that scene after seeing Padme' means more now, she was beautiful, yet sad... Padme' is beautiful and at the time that a force connection will occur Padme' will be very sad. And just because the spoilers and novel has luke being born 1st etc means nothing. The movie is not out yet so stop getting po'ed that you think its not going to be right or make sense. See the movie relax!! then if there is a mistake you can go right ahead an complain here .
sorry i am so tired of this topic, everyone looks a little to deep into it and will not accept the simple answer.
I think this will be the biggest blunder of the SW Saga. I think most people at the time of ROTJ would have agreed that Luke was meaning their real mother, and that Leia knew what he was talking about. Then we hear that mommy dies in ROTS. Unless this is just a huge cover and she doesn't die, this IMHO is a big biff. I hope there will still be at least 30min. of movie left to get that bad taste out of our mouths...cause the rest of the movie will ROCK!!!
Registered: Oct 2004
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Leia coonections with Padme is through the force. Once she touchers her on the head, Leia will feel that connection, and remember Padme through the force. We discuss this topic already.
Registered: Aug 2004
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"I wouldn't be surprised that by the time of the movie and all of the little changes have been done, if Jar Jar is performing the delivery and accidentally "hilariously" kills Padme, and Luke has to slice his own way out of Padme with a lightsaber."-RSF
ROFLMAO Yeah and wouldn't it be a terrible shame if said Gungan "midwife" should then slip on the placenta, falling (hysterically) on to the scalpel tray lacerating several arteries in his ass dying slowly in true Buckwheats fashion....?
look, I think YOU seem to be missing the point. WE KNOW how the birth scene works, it in the comics/novel adaptations. And here's the thing, as that scene stands now, it is entirely unlikely that Leia COULD remember he real mother since she dies only a moment or two after her birth. Now if Lucas would just come out and say "its a force impression" I'd say Oh, ok cool. But as the scene stands now, it does not make sense if Leia is supposed to understand the question Luke poses to her. But go read the script again, Luke drops the Vader's my dad and you're my sister bomb AFTER he askes the question, not before. So we cannot assume Leia knows shes adopted because a hypothetical getting to know each others back story had NOT been ON FILM. There is NO WAY as the scene in ROTS currently stands that Leia CLEARLY remembers her mother, especially her appearance, because, as someone else pointed out, it takes a couple weeks for their eyes to even focus.
So quote the script all you want, we ALL know the OT word for word on this forum, we've all done our own analysis of the topic, its not like we just pull opinions out of our asses here. We know what the lines are, however, the context STILL doesn't make sense as both scenes currently stand.
Registered: Oct 2004
Location: United States, El Paso, Texas
Dude this is star wars, not reality. They have the force, Leia feels the connection. They show Leia to Pade after she is born, and they try to get her to hold her but she is too weak. C'mon we all know that babies can't see for a couple of weeks. This is a movie. I really don't if this is explained, I think we all know that Leia feels the connection to her mother by the force, and that fine with me. It really is not a big deal.
Registered: Sep 2003
Location: Wyoming, United States
It's probably an error and that's what it is... an error.. give the man a break. My gosh, he writes 4-6 without 1-3 being written. He changes the relationship of Vader and Luke in 5. He changes the relationship of Luke and Leia in 6. He crunches 6-9 into 6. Scratches the first trilogy of Mace Windu and makes it Anakin Skywalker's story. I like to see some of you make those dramatic changes in your story telling and keep it consistent when you haven't even written the first trilogy yet.
People find it hard to forgive him due to the fact he has close to an army's worth of people working on the damn thing. It should be perfect considerring the production values.
And, in case you haven't noticed, the new Trilogy is NOT consistent enough with the old Trilogy, hence the reason why so many fans are still dissapointed. The fact that this thread even exists, with people debating over the very story itself and how it is unclear, shows how much of a failure Lucas has made of keeping things consistent. Consistency should be immediately apparent, and was entirely possible, but Lucas has somehow managed to screw it up. I'm not just talking about Leia's connection to Padme, either, I'm talking about the consistency of both trilogies as a whole.
So when Leia said "She was very beautiful", by your own explanation, you think she FEELS her beauty in the Force? C'mon... I agree she can feel her emotions through the Force, that doesn't bother me. But she mentions her appearance, which you can't get through a telepathic impression.
Apr 8th, 2005 06:17 AM
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I agree she can feel her emotions through the Force, that doesn't bother me. But she mentions her appearance, which you can't get through a telepathic impression.
