I definitely agree. That wasn't a knock, I was just saying I was surprised there wasn't an Ox track since he's a huge fan.
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I was going to put something from The Cold Vein on my list but way too many. My list of favourite songs (if I ever make one) is just way too big. It's got to the point where it doesn't mean you're not top 10 worthy if you didn't make it, I just have way too many preferred ones.
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My ten I have given them an order, but it would change with my mood!!
I used my Itunes most played to compile it!
1 "Penny Lane" The Beatles
2 "Friend of the Devil" The Grateful Dead
3 "Waterloo Sunset" The Kinks
4 "Electric Trains" Squeeze
5 "Long December" Counting Crows
6 "Going Nowhere" Therapy
7 "Opium Trail" Thin Lizzy
8 "Hope St." The Levellers
9 "She Bangs" The Stone Roses
10 "All along the Watchtower" Hendrix version
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You summed it all up. I had a hard enough time coming up with just 10 albums, but ten songs... THAT'S tough.
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Yeah, I have to admit, the balance of my musical interest has been tipped into hip-hop over the last year or so, but as a genre I guess it's failed to produce as many tracks that have effected me greatly. I just find hip-hop in general more accessible than most modern rock music at the moment.
Iron Galaxy would've been #11 or 12 for sure. And that De La track is a slept on classic in my view, it's probably the most uplifting song I've ever heard.
Anyone else notice that El-P manages to sort of have a tension builder in a hip hop beat, so awesome. It starts like at 1:50 into 'Rasberry Fields', where he says "see what happens when you **** with the wrong people, might get dragged into a kitchen, cut up", brilliant. I want more shit like that in a hip hop beat, more variation.
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That's what's always lacked in hip hop. There's a misconception that due to the medium being lyrically/vocally focused that the music has to just be backing. If more MC's used music effectively it'd be very interesting.
I love the music the way it is now but it would be cool to see it expand musically. But using live bands sort of kills a crucial quality to it imo, you can't get El-P's signature dark tones with a live band. Just sticking a guitar solo in the middle of it isn't going to make it interesting. I can't imagine how people could expand it musically. I know that there is hip hop acts that use live bands but they don't take full advantage of it.
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Get the right musicians and you can create absolutely any tone. Any existing music is possible if you have the right musicians. If it's made on a computer it can be done live.
Think about it, hip hop artists rhyme almost all the way through their songs. Singers don't do that all the time, they stop and the band play a bit before they come back in. MC's should start doing that. Obviously not as much as it IS a vocally focused genre, but still apply it.
I see what you're saying but i'd also like to see a hip hop producer make complex hip hop beats with variations of melodies, tempo, you know, all that good stuff. I'd like to see that too.
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RJD2 has a song like that with Copywrite, its done really well. i think its called june, i could upload it if anyone who hadn't heard it wanted to. Copywrite has two verses, one at the beginning and one towards the end, its somewhere around six minutes long.
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No amount of computer technology is ever going to be as emotional or complexed as a great band, but it would be nice to see them develop.
I think it's because most people who play a lot of instruments feel as though they're too talented to rhyme, or people who can't play feel that they should rhyme, if only for the fact that they can't do anything else. If more MC's were able to play instruments well enough to make their own music (anything done on a computer can be done with instruments) we'd have a very interesting change in the hip hop scene.
Yeah I'd like to hear producers such as Amp Live who incorporate live instrumentation into their music do that more often.
Aside from that, I think only a few producers possess the kind of style to pull it off; El-P, Blockhead, Shadow, Prefuse, RJ, Madlib and maybe Stoupe (although taking Paz off the track completely wouldn't be such a bad idea).
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