green day - minority
oasis- wonderwall
kaiser cheifs = i predict a riot
green day = hitchin a ride
kaiser cheifs = saturday night
blink 182= all the small things [ i dont really like blink much but the song is good
No, I'm just filled with enough common sense to know that objects without emotion aren't capable of being emotional and therefore cannot produce emotional music like a band of humans.
A limited thinker is still a thinker. Which is a step above you it seems .
That's for the GDF or PhF, not the MuDF. No machine will ever create music as emotional as humans because they'll never experience music as emotionally as we do. Simple as.
Your penchant for driving things wildly off-topic notwithstanding, I'm not prepared to go into it here. If you want to discuss music then we'll discuss music. Or create the thread in another forum and we'll do it there.
Instruments in hip hop is a bad idea. Rap beats are so simplistic that using a full band to perform one is like using the swat team to hand out speeding tickets. There's really no need. Hip hop beats rely on distortion more than anything else so instruments really aren't necessary. The point of hip hop is and has always been about DJ-ing and rapping.. changing that would be nothing less than wiping the genre out of existence.
It's just a different art form is all.. it's not about a demonstration of music theory it's all about the words and the style which is why I don't really object anymore when people claim that it's not real music.
Besides that when bands do play actual hip hop and not just rock with heavy hip hop influences, it's just flat out dull. The same couple notes over and over in common time? What's the point of even learning the instrument? Honestly, who prefers The Root's instrumentals over RZA?
"hip hop is and has always been about DJ-ing and rapping.. changing that would be nothing less than wiping the genre out of existence."
So maybe a new genre might branch out of hip hop if the music expanded. It wouldn't have to use MC's, the music could just be sort of hip hop inpired. When i listen to El-P's music, it gives me a hint of what the music could become, i'd just like to see something more come out of it is all. It wouldn't have to be done on instruments but i'd just like to see it become more complex.
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I really doubt if a new genre was created from conventional hip hop, hip hop would be done.
Chemical Calisthenics by Blackalicious is, to my knowledge, completely original. The drum beat, instead just doing the same rhythm over and over, would slow down and speed up to deafening speed with Gift of Gab following it with his ill lyrics. I was blown away when I first heard it. That's a track that could use a real live drummer replacing the beat and probably would sound better.
Rage Against The Machine certainly used hip hop style vocals with Zack. Now they weren't exactly like conventional hip hop vocals, since Zack had to make the music work with the other musicians, but that doesn't matter anyway. Rage is one of the greatest groups ever and they were certainly part hip hop, so yes hip hop with instruments can work.
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I wasn't referring to a new genre that's influenced by hip hop. I was talking about if hip hop became instrument oriented, it's not hip hop anymore. The tools have been changed, the purpose has been changed, it's an entirely new genre. So those that say hip hop should have instruments don't really want to listen to hip hop, they want to listen to a hip hop influenced version of rock (like RATM).
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David Cope
The definition of 'artificial creativity' involves the possibility of machines to be programmed to generate artifacts of any kind comparable with those made by a human mind, through processes and algorithms impossible for a human to reproduce manually. In classical music there exist many deep studies about the simulation of the style of a particular artist, through a painstaking analysis of his works and the individuation of certain 'patterns' which identify the seeds, rough but indicative, of the artist's style. David Cope has been involved in this studies for several years, and collected in this big tome a large mass of informations on this theme. From Mozart's experiments with dices to the mathematical algorithms of Iannis Xenakis, to the creations of choirs in the style of Bach using an expert system by Kemal Ebcioglu, to the neural nets of Dominik Hornel and Wolfram Menzel, used to create pieces similar to those composed by famous renaissance and baroque composers. The author introduces the reader to the 'game' of telling the original from the simulation, in a sort of musical 'Turing test' which, the reader is warned, has tricked almost half of the people who took it, as well as renowned musicologists with years of experience. The use of a database for creating a piece in the style of Mozart is described step by step and allows the reader to see with his own eyes the generation of plausible patterns through the use of well designed algorithms. The obvious doubts about the epistemological validity of such experiments give rise to questions on the possibility to reproduce the unconscious and the experiences, sensations and personal feelings which contribute to formally generate the pieces. It's difficult to dispel such doubts in a simple way, but the formal research towards a possible authorship of the machine involves travelling through uncharted territories which are certainly worth exploring.
David Cope
David Cope (b. San Francisco, 1941) completed degrees in composition at Arizona State University and the University of Southern California. His over seventy published compositions have received thousands of performances throughout the U.S. and abroad, including those by the Vermont, Pittsburgh, Indianapolis, Cabrillo Festival, and Santa Cruz Symphony Orchestras, as well as numerous university orchestras and wind ensembles. Twenty-one of his works appear on recordings. His book New Directions in Music now appears in its seventh edition and his New Music Composition, New Music Notation, and Techniques of the Contemporary Composer continue to be used as standard reference tools. His books Computers and Musical Style (1991), Experiments in Musical Intelligence (1996), The Algorithmic Composer (2000), all in A-R Editions' Computer Music and Digital Audio Series and Virtual Music (2001, MIT Press) describe his work with the computer program Experiments in Musical Intelligence which he created in 1981. His articles in Computer Music Journal (1987, 1992, and 1997), Computer (1991), Electronic Musician (1993), Leonardo Music Journal (2000) and chapters in books such as Understanding Music with AI (1992) and Machine Models of Music (1992) further elaborate on the complexities of machine creativity. Experiments in Musical Intelligence works can also be found on Centaur Records CDs Bach by Design (2184), Classical Music Composed by Computer (2329), and Virtual Mozart (2452) and the MW2 Ensemble of Poland has recently recorded his Towers for chamber ensemble on Vienna Modern Masters (VMM 2024). David Cope is currently Professor of Music at the University of California at Santa Cruz.
He seems more of a thinker and more imaginative
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1. Glam Slam- Prince
2. Jesusland- Ben Folds
3. Just Good Friends- Michael Jackson Ft. Stevie Wonder
4. Flakes- Frank Zappa
5. Intergalatic- Beastie Boys
6. Teen Age Riot- Sonic Youth
7. Lithium- Nirvana
8. Boy's Don't Cry- The Cure
9. One More Time- Daft Punk
10. Sexual Healing- Marvin Gaye
I only wanted to put each artist once to give it more variety. I suppose a lot of these songs would be my favourites, even though the list may fluctuate.
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I'm just going to do my 2 favorite songs from my 5 favorite bands.
No order BTW
A Quick One While He's Away----> The Who
I'm One (or Overture, I can't decide)----> The Who
Gutless----> Jawbreaker
Equalized----> Jawbreaker
(White Man) In Hammersmith Palais----> The Clash
Wrong Em' Boyo----> The Clash
Long Shadow----> Joe Strummer & The Mescaleros
Burning Streets----> Joe Strummer & The Mescaleros
Picket Fence Cartel----> At the Drive-In
Catacombs (Ross Robinson Version)----> At the Drive-In
Feel free to comment or whatever.
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(s)aint- marilyn Manson
Blue and yellow- The used
Bohemian rapsody- Queen
Echelon- 30 Seconds to mars
The Quiet Place- In flames
fade to black- Metallica
baba o'Riley- The Who
Killer Queen- Queen
Pardonné- Kyo
and finally
Soul Meets Body- Death Cab for Cutie
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Coming Back to Life- Pink Floyd
Every breath you take- The Police
Billie Jean- Mj
Summer of 69- Bryan Adams
Schism- Tool
Home ( scene six)- Dream Theater
Right here waiting for you- Richard Marx
Self- Control- Laura Branigan
Paint it Black- Rolling Stones
November Rain- Guns and Roses
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Jan 20th, 2006 07:40 PM
He can see the future 
Yup you sure are a limited thinker! How do you define machine? 
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