Then we're gonna have to call Thor a favorite over Galactus because in all their showings...Thor comes up with some kind of victory. Moreover we only know Galactus can do what he has done in comic book showings...bear with me
There's a difference between characters like Captain America and Wolverine who you have to go by their showings. Galacuts is different, he's this "omnipotent" (used very loosely) force....the showings you see ARE THE EXCEPTIONS. Did he eat planet earth? No he never got to...does that mean he's 0-1 for consuming planets which he tries to consume...I think not.
Yup. And it took BRB and Thor plus Power Pack to take down Kurse. Kurse was wrecking Thor and BRB. In another encounter, Thor needed the Amulet Of Thousand Suns to momentarily put Kurse down.
Tyrant, who's still below Galactus, punked Beta Ray Bill, Gladiator, Surfer, Jack Of Hearts, and Terrax at the same time. Whether he stalemated or beat Thanos, we both know Thanos occasionally stomps on Thor.
Thor's also the same guy who has trouble with Juggernaut.
Yeah, the same godblast that didn't effect Juggernaut.
Sort of like Phoenix needing to consume a sun. Boy she's weak. Not as overrated as how you sometimes portray Molecule Man.
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So you've proven Tyrant beat Galactus by draining Galactus' energies? Please, Tyrant was preping for eons to take down Galactus. Him taking control of Galactus' ship shouldn't be a surprise. Deviants have penetrated the Celestial ship to copy the key and release the Dreaming Celestial. Tyrant taking control of Galactus' ship isn't much of a feat. He had eons to prep; Galactus wasn't even preping anything.
Guess what, that's the same Thanos who stomps on Thor, Surfer, Drax, Thing, and Hulk regularly. Even before his power ups, Thanos took on Thor and Thing, kicking their butts. Odin had to bring Gungnir into battle against Thanos.
And guess what, Beyonder couldn't put Thanos down either. And this Beyonder is the cube being version.
As for Tyrant, he stomped Surfer, Beta Ray Bill, Gladiator, Terrax, and Jack of Heart. Can Thor do that?
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When did this encounter happen? The only two times i remember them clashing was the time I mentioned, and a What If. Are you referring to the What If?
My point is that Galactus hasn't shown any feats that Odin hasn't been shown to match, much less the Celestials. Odin was able to repel Galactus and stop him from invading Asgard. Odin was powerless against the Celestials. It took Gaea to make a deal with them to save their hides. That also speaks for scale.
Hence why I'm saying that Thor is less powerful than Galactus. But being less powerful didn't stop Thor from nearly killing a Galactus who wasn't paying Thor any attention. When the same scenario took place with the Celestial, the Celestial didn't flinch. And Thor tried everything he had....AND had the belt of strength with him. No effect.
It's like this - I could sucker punch two huge dudes. I sucker punch them because I know I can't take them in a straight fight. I knock one of them out, but when I do it to the other one, he just looks at me like, "Why you sucker punch me? Now you gone made my nose itch". I'm less powerful than both of them, but the second guy is a HELL of a lot more fearsome than the first guy.
Yes, yes and yes. Meanwhile, Magneto beat the Hulk without incident. Polaris beat the Wrecker easily in X-factor. And since this is Thor vs. Magneto, I thank you for the evidence.
Protege didn't fight Meph. He just casually yanked him out of his realm and had fun with him. If Galactus COULD do that, there'd be no need to fight Mephisto in his realm...he'd just cross his hands, nod his head and Mephisto would be there, kneeling helplessly before him like he did with Protege.
And Galactus didn't beat Mephisto. He made a threat and Mephisto, not knowing if G could do it or not, relented. Hela stalemated Mephisto in his own realm before. So now Galactus has graduated to Hela-level feats. Congrats.
I think you missed the point of that reference. Odin isn't a murderer, so the writers wouldn't have him portrayed as killing trillions as a side effect of his battle. When they say, "long dead galaxies", they mean uninhabited. Nobody lives there anymore. And last I checked, whether or not people live there has no bearing on its ability or inability to be destroyed by cascading energies. So yes, he destroyed galaxies - meaning destroyed stars and its supported solar systems. The feat is identical, but without the implication that Odin is responsible for the deaths of trillions of people.
Your quote, not mine.
Thor is a humanoid. Asgardian physiology is identical to human physiology except hardier. Thor has no molecular self control. He can't regenerate. That's why I wouldn't argue that Magneto can do it to the Surfer - Surfer doesn't have human psysiology. That's why I would argue that Magneto can do it to Thor - Thor DOES have human psysiology, and does NOT have the molecular control necessary to fight it off.
See above explanation. Surfer does NOT have human physiology. Nor do hellord. Some Elder Gods, but they also have fine molecular control over themselves. Thor doesn't fit in any of those categories.
Well, maybe not thick mist. Guess Magneto is in trouble now, huh?
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Ah, yes, Galactus was able to best him after an eons-long battle. But it was one of those, "coulda gone either way" fights, and it went the other way in their rematch that I named. Either way, they're shown as being roughly equals in power, and that's not all that impressive.
True. He could beat Thor easily if he unleashed that kind of attack on Thor. I'm not comparing their offensive capabilities here. But comparing their durability, Galactus had a MUCH worse showing than a Celestial.
Protege was able to mimic part of LT's powers and put down several cosmics at the same time. The Celestial was the only one able to beat him. They've casually tossed planets, destroyed the Destroyer occupied with the combined force of all of Asgard, they've manipulated reality at some of the highest levels, they've CREATED planets and life from nothingness. They matter manipulated Thor completely. One matter manipulated Galactus himself. I mean, the list goes on.
But you can't have TONS of bad showings and still say it contradicts your capabilities. At some point, even if unintentional, TONS *becomes* the norm. TONS outweighs everything else after awhile. That time has come for Galactus.
if I was trying to say that, I'd have no business arguing for Magneto on this thread.
Yeah, but that's not exactly a taunt, lol.
And I think that showing they are nothing to him is good writing and the way it's supposed to be. But there's a world of difference between beating up the Fantastic Four and beating a Celestial.
Guess not. You're barking up the wrong tree. You'd be better served naming times they've tried something and failed rather than times they just didn't bother. I imagine that as long as their core tasks aren't being interfered with, they won't take part in anything. Killing Eternity, I imagine, wasn't enough to get them motivated. Perhaps changing reality so that everybody hated everybody else would motivate Mistress Love to act.
The difference is that Thanos took a hands on approach to these realities. He wasn't just set to replace Eternity - he was set to replace them all. He unleveled the balance of life and death, of all emotion in the universe. Essentially, he usurped them all. THAT is why they chose to respond. Eternity being rendered catatonic doesn't have the same effect.
It wasn't addressed to you.
he stole it, then combined the two. Not that hard to conclude.
Indeed - no argument from me. But he wouldn't give up on the cosmic cube just because he had G's power.
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[QUOTE=3647342]Originally posted by JWangSDC
Then we're gonna have to call Thor a favorite over Galactus because in all their showings...Thor comes up with some kind of victory.
Well, G wasn't fighting back or anything, so it's not a fair result of a fight. It's more used to look at durability comparisons and regen and stuff like that than actual combat results.
No argument from me, lol.
He's consumed lots of planets. I know that. Unfortunately for him, a Celestial is not a planet, and it requires showing a lot more power than eating a planet to convince me that someone is greater than a Celestial. Celestials destroy planets all the time, so have people like Thor, BRB, Gladiator and Hulk (GREY one of all people)...so what?
"But you can't have TONS of bad showings and still say it contradicts your capabilities. At some point, even if unintentional, TONS *becomes* the norm. TONS outweighs everything else after awhile. That time has come for Galactus."
well i guess you are right in a way , but when ever big shit goes down Galactus was always there.
Don't take my posts of out context and address them like that. My point was if you just took that showing, he'd be 0 for 1 in consuming planets that he tries to consume. But wouldn't you agree that if it's Galactus vs a Planet...he's clearly the favorite. (He's more likely to consume the planet than it is likely to stop him from consuming it) Starting to see my point at all?
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Galactus has been shown consuming planets before, and he's been showing beating the heroes before. But when you're putting him up against cosmic beings, you HAVE to go by similar battles he's been in and they've been in to come up with some logical even ground for determing a result. You can't just assume that Galactus kicks ass off-panel and hope that counts as evidence...it doesn't.
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Galactus is basically limited to the physical world. He can't really even cross dimensions on his own. Abstracts are beyond the physical world - G literally has no means of hurting them at all. Additionally, they control reality across the omniverse - everything bends to their will, including all physical things. Just to give an example, they were able to exert an effect on Thanos even while wielding the IG. They DEFINE those concepts - they embody them. Sire Hate can cause Galactus to mentally collapse by pounding him with pure hate. It sounds silly, but that's the only way to define the effect it has. it bends the very meaning of the reality of hate, and G wouldn't be able to cope. Think that would have no effect? The Eye of Agamotto worked on G and drove him off...and in terms of emotional manipulation, that is absolutely nothing compared to what abstracts can do.
I don't despute his importance in the hierarchy. Bush is extremely important in world affairs, and anytime something major goes down, he's going to be in on it. But I bet I could whoop his ass.
magneto doesnt even have a chance here in my opinion. Sure magneto can use his powers to lift up cars and throw it at thor or even blast him with an EMP blast, but what is that compared to a bolt of lightning from a thunder god.
magneto is pretty strong too, but his power is more large area damage etc, thor is mystical in nature and mlijnor can easily destroy magneto's shield, but given a decent writer, i think they both have a chance.
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