god! this is why i HATE EU, Vader is the chosen one, hes supposed to be the best....and he would win. i think that cannon characters should automatically beat EU characters, cause the EU writers are all cracked out and make the jedi stupidly powerful and it completely throws off everything in the movies.
Anomaly if you feel like that why are you posting here? Half of the threads here are about shit like that... If you think movie characters beat EU characters all the time then whats the use of posting here? Besides i don't care if you think that the movie characters are stronger if they are you could just as well delete this board, cause Vader would win anything because he is "the chosen one"
Exar didn't start the Sith, Darth Bane started the Sith, and Exar would win, someone said something about choked a guy from a different ship? That doesn't mean anything at all those guys are nothing just normal people, and Vader wasn't the choosen one Anakin was and theres a big difference! Anakin had 20,000 midichlorians and Vader doesn't have half that because he lost half of his body. SO Exar would beat him he would definitely would have more force powers and even his soul was so powerful later on he actually took over the bodies of Lukes students. So EXAR WOULD KILL VADER
another side note Exar created the double bladed lightsaber
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Bane didn't create the Sith either. The Sith were a race that fallen Jedi afetr the Great Schism (tm) occured, who integrated with the Dark Jedi and the offshoot eventually became the Sith.
And I agree with Fishy 100%... why be in a mostly Eu Versus Thread if you think the Chosen One wins all because.... he's the Chosen One? Every person here who believes in the prophecy and the Chosen One theory admits that Obi Wan beat Anakin in ROTS, but all say OBi was lucky, or Obi knew his apprentice.
Those are both reasons why Anakin/Vader isn't perfect. The prophecy, for all its overinflated granduer, never said Anakin was perfect, almighty, and could whup ass all day long. If he was, the following would be incorrect:
Anakin would lose to Obi Wan at Mustafar.
Anakin would get whupped by Dooku at Geonosis.
Anakin would be Tarkin's lapdog in A New Hope.
Anakin never struck down the Emperor until the old fart was torturing his only son.
Anakin got spiked a few times by Luke, who was no saber master.
Anakin could have defeated Ben Kenobi without the old fart letting his guard down completely. (Killed a man with his eyes closed, weapon held firmly towards the ceiling. What a master!)
Now, I don't hate Vader. I don't. I don't have the hero worship for him that most do. He was never my kinda bad guy. Just isn't. But that isn't saying I won't give credit where credit is do. Anakin/Vader is among the most powerful Force Users ever, in potential. He can hang in most situations, or at least give a better opponent hell to pay. But he's not God, and if some people really think so, why come here and tell us that over and over again in a subbranch of an Eu forum?
ok well Darth Bane started the new sith order with the 2 at a time rule or code right? well thats what i was talking about. And I'm new here so what is this Eu and threads you speak of?
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Alright. I'll fill ya in.
Darth Bane started the newer Sith order and its rules regarding only two sith, apprentice and master, to be present at all times to maintain secrecy. This was after the Battle of Ruusan where the current Sith leader, Lord Kaan, insane with power released a thought bomb, which killed all life on the planet save for Bane (Which struck me as odd but oh well...)
Eu means Expanded Universe. It's mostly secondary canon in the forms of novels, books, comics, and video games, etc. It's officialised by Lucasfilm or Lucasarts, but purists consider the movies and the movies alone true canon. Many comments made here about Lucas or GL( George Lucas) tend to be movie specific and are taken to heart, such as Anakin is the saver of the balance of the galaxy, he's the best Jedi ever, etc. Lucas' concern is the movies and all that makes them up. While his company endorses many EU products, he doesn't really care too much about them (aside from Aayla Secura, which is a notable exception.)
(Insert personal rant) The problem I have with purism, which, for lack of better things to do, I've dubbed Lucasism, is that it downplays anything that isn't from the movie, whether its quotes or characters. This budding cult revolves around the prophecy, and includes odd concepts like midi-chlorians and the Chosen One. Stuff that, as an old fan of the originals, I didn't take too. Personal preference. But views aside, I don't attack Lucasists so much as their line of reasoning, which is fundamentally flawed. (/rant)
ok well Whatever i say i dont say to piss anyone off its just my opinion and i thought thats the point of a forum. but if im wrong don't jump down my throught, More then anything i wanna learn as much as i can, and get the true facts. But thanks for alaborating on the Darth Bane.
Well, personally, I do not find choking someone from another ship to be all that great, difficult, ok, but not awe inspiring. Exar could have easily done that as well, in fact, he did something far harder. He was able to walk into the heart of the republic senate, freeze them all, kill their leader, and then duel a jedi master, who was also his former master, while keeping the entire senate, including guards, droids and other jedi frozen. He then freed his apprentice, flew out of Courscant, and the entire Republic fleet and army couldn't do a thing. That's a bit more impressive that choking someone and holding a conversation. Holding over a thousand people hostage and duelling someone is more impressive.
Incidently, the jedi that Exar killed was his former master, do you think that Vader could have defeated Obi-Wan while holding the entire Death Star in stasis? Heck, he defeated Obi-Wan because his eyes were closed, and his weapon was pointing at the roof! Anyone could defeat Obi-Wan if he was like that, the bear clan could have taken Obi if he just stood there.
Also, I do not see Vader blowing up suns, Exar did. Vader did have more potential, I will give him that. But Vader pre-lava bath and Vader post-lava bath are totally different. He is only, at most, half as powerful as he could be. Pre-lava bath and fully trained, he would take Exar. But crippled, in pain and at half strength, Exar wins, hands down.
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My apologies, Jaster. If I've said anything before that was seemingly offensive and mean, it was a poor lapse in judgement. This forum's for fun, and it sometimes gets rocky, but it's still a fair playground. Ask anything you want, and if I don't know, I'll make up something that makes me look smart.