i agree with this 100%, other then anakin being the most powerful. we first must define what "power" actually is. its pretty obvious that sids and yoda (and windu for that matter) have a far greater control of the force then anakin does. so anakin MIGHT be able to feel the will of the force easier, but does ablility or greater natural intuition of the force count as being "more powerful"?
what i mean is that yoda and windu and palpatine are stronger with the force then anakin is meaning that they have more abilities. anakin has the most power, meaning that say he knew how to use lightning, it would be insanely strong. he unfortunately does not know how. palps however does know how, making him, in a fight, technically stronger then anakin..u know what i mean.
the thing that everybody forget is that a jedi not only fight with his saber , but with his mind, his intelligence , so this topic is useless ...
The greater swordman will definitively looses against a good jedi (good as swordmaster , and wise)
The question is " why palps defeats yoda " simply because of Palps is a big cheater ( Kyber Crystal) and the way of the darkside is more easy to get in and to control ... even if a jedi as old as yoda (the most experienced jedi ever ) is in front of him ...
just like odan urr in front of exar kun
Mace is better. Think of it this way. If Mace didnt use the best form then he would change forms. Also, he was the co-leader of the Jedi. Equal to Yoda in rank. Atleast I think that I read that somewhere.
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It's already been declared somewhere on the Star Wars site that Mace was defeated at one point in time by only two people, Dooku and Yoda. Thus, Yoda is his superior. Yoda is among the most capable duellists in the movies and has an amazing control of the Force and wisdom to implement it.
But to give Mace credit where it is do, he comes closer to destroying Sidious than anyone else in saber combat. That has to count for something.
Not only is Yoda the clear master of the force, but it is also implied that he is also the greatest sword fighter, when Obi wan is talking to anakin about his arrogance about actually rivaling master yoda's sword fighting skills. If Windu was the best swordfighter, he would have referenced him instead.
Yoda is clearly better then Windu in every way. Windu is good, but yoda would beat him. Yoda would have beat dooku had he not fled, and yoda, despite his incredibly old age at the time of the fight, he would have beat palpy too had he not cheated.
1) Palpy lets windu get the better of him on purpose, to allow Anikin to step in and kill him, making the final transition to the dark side. In actual fact, I think DS is stronger then windu and could have beat him at any time if that's what he really wanted.
2) Yoda was beating palpy until he started fighting dirty, which yoda is incapable of doing. In a straight up fight, yoda would mop the floor with him.
again, by implication the movie flat out says that yoda is the best. If he wasen't, then when obi wan was talking to anikin, he would have said that he thinks he rivals mace windu in sword fighting. He doesn't, he says Yoda. That clearly implies that yoda is the man.
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Yes but that was in ep 2 b4 the clone wars and b4 Windu perfected his fighting style of Vaapad, its the best fighting style and he proves it in ep 3 by using it to defeat sidious.
Vaapad uses the darkside of the force, thats why its the most powerful and thats why sidious lost.
Well, valid points. Also, yoda's age definitely comes into the picture. He fights palpy at approx 780, and dies of natural causes at about 800. A man fighting when he is so damn close to death is quite impressive on it's own.
You may be right about windu being able to defeat yoda at the time of ROTS (I still say yoda's knowledge of the force would prevail) but my star wars universe will collapse if Yoda isn't the best Jedi. Surely in his prime, nobody was his equal.
I did not say windu could beat Yoda, I said he used his fighting style to defeat sidious. His fighting style would be next to useless when fighting another jedi of the lightside.
In yodas prime and now he is prob the strongest jedi, Yet Windu could be considerd stronger vs dark jedi and sith.
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Well then lucky for him, the Sith are still around and revealed themselves in his lifetime. Otherwise, what is the point of him creating his fighting style to defeat the dark side? When he made it, there was no dark side.
I think only jedi and sith can have light or dark side in them. Your standard bad a$$'s don't have any knowledge or feeling of the force, and therefore would not be any more suseptable to Mace's style then any other jedi. Example: Jango is a bad a$$ and can actually kill Jedi's, but he does not have the dark side in him, because he has no connection with the force. No, only a sith would be more vulnerable to windu's style, and as I mentioned, at the time he created his fighting style, there were no sith, so why did he create it? Why does he dance so close to the dark side, for no reason?
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