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Dooku used the column thing as a distraction so that he could run away from the fight. As for Sidious, Yoda could counter everything Palps threw at him, including the pods and his force lightning.
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Nobody, but that doesn't mean Mace can't beat him..
I actually don't think he would, Yoda would win, because the force and force powers are always a mayor influeince in Yoda his fighting style.
And Yoda his style is great, very fast. But he makes no real attacks you saw it against Dooku and against Palps, he did not really ever attack them head on, just jump around them beating them bit by bit. Mace might be able to defeat Yoda threw Yoda his biggest weakness, he isn't as strong as Mace... Now personally I don't think it would happen, but it can.
But thats only with lightsabers no use of force powers and Yoda would use those for sure
At least I'm glad that nobody called the seven lightsaber forms a ranking system or say that windu is the best simply because he mastered the hardest form. . .
I think that palps threw the fight with Windu so that he could gain a position of power over anakin psychologically.
That last push to convince him to decide to betray the Jedi. He played on Vaderkin's weakness beautifully. "If I die so does padame."
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Is this line from the novelisation? I'm curious. But I am quite convinced Sidious was outclassed by Mace. It was not from the start a plot to turn Annie farther; Sidious could have accused the Jedi of trying to murder him and usurp the Republic if he could have won the battle. But he was lightsaberless and his force powers could not overcome Mace. As for Sidious being a decent swordsman, I'm gonna chalk this up to a ridiculous observation made by someone who doesn't know the ins and outs of combat. Quite simply, Sidious' three kills were quite pathetic. Somehow he was able to simply jump over and kill a Jedi knight and a Jedi master before either could react and yet he was moving slower than Yoda? Dooku, at his slow and deliberate pace, could keep up with Yoda who was much faster and deadlier than Sidious in combat. And Kit Fisto going down in three hits was a disgrace. It wasn't even a crafty maneuver Sids pulled, just a slash and Kit was down. But after this display of unbelievable pwnage on three capable Jedi, he pretty much is served by Shaft Windu in a short time. Lightsaber is lost, powers reflected back. He's on his back, almost out the damn window. He was toast.
Now, Yoda. Yoda does a whole lot of movement in II and not a lot of striking, to be honest. I believe he was trying to overwhelm Dooku with speed and it didn't work. His Force powers are considerable, and he beats Sidious at his own game. Note that Sidious is a cowardly wuss who has to cheat and use underhanded tactics at any chance he gets. He even tried to run from Yoda. He tries to avoid fair fights because he is unsure of his ability. But Sidious was -lucky- enough to destroy Yoda's lightsaber and knock his ass down. If he hadn't he would be toasted again.
Now, I saw someone say Anakin is better than Obi-Wan. I disagree. While Dooku got the edge on Obi-Wan in sheer Force mastery (The guy is old as hell and a Jedi master gone Sith) Anakin's most impressive victory in III is the death of Dooku, which baffles me to no end since Dooku got cocky and changed his entire fighting style for the battle (Check II and compare) Obi-Wan, however, held up a solid defense to Grievous and Anakin, and I believe in saber combat he was superior to Sidious, too, though with Force mastery he could not contend.
As for Mace versus Yoda. Who do I think will win? I would think Yoda has the best chance to win with his experience and Force mastery. However, Mace Windu is perhaps the best duellist of his time. I believe he can defeat Dooku after all his experience in the Clone Wars. He certainly displays amazing prowess in Shatterpoint and in ROTS. SO Mace has a chance and a better one than most would. But Yoda is the most obvious choice.
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Well I dont think Voda is stronger than Mace.. The reason ofcourse is age. Voda is real old. As you get older you get more wiser and maybe your force abilities increases but physical strength dimnishes. ace was real powerful . We know for sure He had Sidious begging under his lightsaber before that Idiot Anakin showed up. Voda found it really difficult to fight Sidious. Voda was the strongest once. But when ROTS happened Mace was the srongest. He was the council president not Voda
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Yoda because windu is stated to have been on par or been a little be less than dooku who couldn't even come close to beat yoda he was overwhelmed and would have been defeated if he had not run away each time and even though windu has shatter point it is way to broad and he can only see what he expects and before u put out he fought evenly with sidious first off sidious let him win and secondly he had a huge amp since the republic he gave his life to protect from the Sith was controlled by the sith and he was fighting the prime Sith Lord so he had a huge amp while yoda was cl. In his fight with sidious and was sidious equal in lightsaber skills so take that amp away and what do you have a windu who is a tier below yoda and sidious
I hate that Windu is said to be 'the greatest swordsman in the order' Yoda mastered Ataru even more than Obi-Wan mastered Soresu. 900 years experience and a master of all forms just like Windu. Yoda takes this
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Windu is better. Yoda is better at being a failure. Failed against Dooku and failed against Sidious. Failed at stopping Luke from leaving to go face Vader before he was ready. Failure.
Yoda is the best Jedi Consular, Windu is the best Jedi Guardian
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