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<<Until u have checked out the references i gave u, you cant really continue to argue with me.>>
sure i can. as i think has already been mentioned, the watcher also stated in an FF book early on that GALACTUS is the most powerful force in the universe. and since FF have been around longer than x-men, stands that IT is the more credible source. and in a SS issue, it is stated quite plainly that if galactus dies, the universe itself will end. if phoenix dies . . . well, so would this argument. phoenix is powerful. it is not (at least in theory) what galactus is. FF and SS. those are some pretty damn fine sources if i do say so myself.
"sure i can. as i think has already been mentioned, the watcher also stated in an FF book early on that GALACTUS is the most powerful force in the universe. and since FF have been around longer than x-men, stands that IT is the more credible source. and in a SS issue, it is stated quite plainly that if galactus dies, the universe itself will end. if phoenix dies . . . well, so would this argument. phoenix is powerful. it is not (at least in theory) what galactus is. FF and SS. those are some pretty damn fine sources if i do say so myself."
Leo as you must know if u're an avid reader of comics. Marvel is always changing the hierarchy, always introducing some new uber-powerful being that tops the others. Some like the beyonder and galactus are somewhat downgraded after time. Others such as the phoenix force retain their power and status. The watcher said that in FF way before he said that in the dark phoenix saga. From what ive just said your reasoning on it being a more credible source isnt quite as sound as u might think. Galactus has died on many occassions also and Abraxas was let loose who in turn threatened to destroy the universe. Its possible that thats the extent of the big disaster that will befall the universe on his death. Its possible. Galactus tried to remove the phoenix from rachel and the universes stars started fading. See phoenix is shown as integral to. The transitionary force that embodies life and death. The phoenix also works as a doctor of the universe as shown in the GM run. Healing what needs to be healed(m'kraan) and "disinfecting" that which doesnt work and threatens the balance of the universe(d'bari and sublime)
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Kg. Check out the 6 issue xmen: forever series, classic xmen 8, 42 and 43 and also grant morrisons run on new xmen a year and a half ago. More specifically the "Here comes tommorrow" story arc.
This link also explains a lot about the phoenix especially that story arc i just told u about :
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<<Leo as you must know if u're an avid reader of comics. Marvel is always changing the hierarchy, always introducing some new uber-powerful being that tops the others. Some like the beyonder and galactus are somewhat downgraded after time.>>
true, and the exact argument i would have used if i were you! damn . . . guess we'll simply agree to disagree. you obviously like phoenix (i was DID like the phoenix force) while i like galactus, hence my bias. i like the sense of history that surrounds galactus and given that he survived the death of his own universe, he's always been at or very near the top of my food chain. unfortunately he's one of those guys who gets beat often to prove that some new guy is powerful. shrugs. still doesn't change what he is - or should be. i said PF is powerful. i still contend it is not what galactus is, and is below eternity and far below (as every universe force must be) the LT.
as for the illusion bit - that was among the stupidest story arcs i'd ever read and was what amounted to a cop out by the writers. how the hell does he create an illusion of all that?? assinine. nowadays the beyonder is viewed as a 'minor omnipotent', which places him on the tier below galactus, the celestials eternity, death and LT. and below the PF.
an original beyonder take em out anyday, but the cosmic cube 1 loses{actually come to think of it, even after beein retconned, the fact remains that the incomplete cosmic cube was able to fool eternity, galactus and the tribunal!}
Yeah thats cool. Im fine with that if its just a comparison of those two. However some of the others were lumping him/it together with death as well in the rankings which is why i started debating and stating the phoenixes status and position because death holds no power over the phoenix.
It's pretty funny you put LT above TOAA, LOL, and above HOTU who made out of LT a joke. You said you've read TOAA bio (dmaybe you are confues, maby you think TOAA Celestal). And it was TOAA who created LT. And LT said there is being that is byond himslef and that is TOAA.
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"Later, Death appeared to the Phoenix Force, claiming it to be the product of power of all life yet unborn, and thus somewhat an agent of Death and abstract entity the likes of Eternity and Death. Death helped to convince the Force to leave its then-current avatar, Rachel Summers."
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