well how about catagories... 5 or so lists of different skill set characters.... that way you'd only be able to pick 1 from a Batman type list, 1 from an electro type, etc.....
That is very true plus it makes it to where you aren't given a chance to use your imagination to create a character. It would feel more like you are stuck with characters make them work.
For what its worth, I don't like the random idea, only because that even if a few really like it (or even a majority) there's obviously going to be those who are vehemently against it. It'll create too much division and controversy, and will end up being unfair for someone (even if we try to balance it and such).
But again, I'll make a final say based on what everyone thinks...but not now, once we get a seperate thread for it. Right now it's just random discussion.
Random characters would make power meshing a lot harder... Picking characters is part of the strategy of the tournament, like Digi with Apollo and Zod's suit in this tournament. So basically, whoever got the 3 most powerful characters would win. And you know that SOMEONE is gonna get absolutely shafted...
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See, the beauty of three random characters is that you have to actually work at making your team be worth something. Hell, if you're only logic behind having random is that someone is going to get a super powerful team, and someone is going to get screwed, just look at the last tournament. Some of the Amalgams were just behemoths compared to others in terms of raw power, yet others had the subtlety and variations required to actually win.
If all the characters are around an equal level, then there should be no reason why someone will get an uber powerful team, and someone wont. Characters like Wolverine and Spider-man should be banned, simply because of how ridiculous some of their feats are, while characters like Black Panther and Azrael are amazing characters that few know about. Hell, if you really look into them, you might be surprised to see that both of those characters put Batman to shame. Isn't Batman supposed to be one of the big badass street levels? Exactly.
The whole point of the random is to make you actually dig dig dig dig DIG to get a working strategy.
I say we do a large character pool, like 64. Then we have a total of like 48 of them drawn, so not all the characters get picked. Everyone gets 2-3 characters, and then when they have their fight, they PM the tournament host with who they are going to send out first, second then third in a series of 1 v 1 matches. So say I drew Black Panther, Azrael and Nightwing, I'd send BP first, Az second and NW third. Meanwhile, Long Pig had decided to send out Captain America first, Ian Nottingham second and Batman third. Neither of us would know what the other is going to be using until the actual fight, making us rely even moreso on our own debating skills. The 1v1 format also helps eliminate the whole 'team confusion' thing that big multiple character battles bring.
... I thought this was going to be another amalgam tournament.
And, ya know, I understand the idea that it's better to choose more obscure characters. But I DO NOT like the idea of someone else picking my characters for me. I say we all get together and agree on a popular group of characters that just aren't allowed to be part of our amalgams. Then, we set strict power level limits and let people go from there.
The thing is, I don't have the time to go out seraching for extensive info on two or three different unknown characters. I have a job and something that sometimes resembles a life. People shouldn't be crippled because they can't dedicate enough time to studying a brand new group of people.
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Agreed. I would feel apprehensive about doing it this way too if I were going to be in it. Not that I don't trust my debating skills, but I don't have the money or time to research a Black Panther, Azrael, etc. during a tourney. Even though I'm not in it, I'm sure others agree.
The pool of characters might not be bad, and banning certain well-known people might also be a possibility (but what has Spider-Man done that's so god-like?? He's actually pretty consistent.) but we'll deal with it all soon...
That's exactly it, I sacrifice a large portion of my life to have more time to dedicate to comics, so why SHOULDN'T I have an advantage? If you say it should all be fair, we all have equal chances, but you prefer to live your life, and I prefer to live mine.
... I fail to see how having such an extensive knowledge of comics WOULDN'T give you an edge, though. You would have a much wider range of characters to choose from than someone like myself. I think the quaity of a tournament like this relies on debating, and that requires knowledge of the characters involved. If we have a handful of people just going by whatever profile they can dig up, we're going to have some crappy fights on our hands.
Problem with Amalgams is that it's really a lot of guesswork to the properties of the characters, and what's the point of amalgamating street levelers? They are all almost exactly the same, it's not like high level guys with many powers and abilities to mesh.
but it isn't just a "Street level" tourny with Cap and Batman guys... you've got Electro, Shocker, a possible symbiote or two, some X-Men, basically most of the guys around Spider-Man's level..... there are a ton of different powers to mesh
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I don't like the idea of mixing in guys like electro and shocker, etc. They are wayyy too powerful when you consider if you mix Electro with bullseye almost no one can beat you.
Nat hit on an interesting point. Electro + Bullseye = a seriously powerful amalgam. There's obviously other similarly awesome combos. But I thought that was the point...meashing powers to create an uber-street level character.
Or maybe we could just have teams of three and rather than trying to mesh and enhance (like I did with Kinky) so that there would be more of a priority to find characters (and powers) that compliment each other well (The Fantasic Four comes to mind as a good example of complimenting powers well, even though they're all above the level we'll be choosing from).
Again, we'll put it to a vote eventually. Personally, I'm torn and don't have a definitive opinion on the matter.
What's an amalgam? Well, you see, when two people reallly love each other...
Say I draft 3 people. A team format would have them fighting together. An amalgam format melds all 3 picks into one super-fighter with the abilities of all three picks (usually just the body/strength of one of them though).
Although, Electro + Bullseye is badass, but I don't see why someone like Spider-Man (or the many others with at least close-to-Spidey reflexes) couldn't dodge the blasts. Properly built amalgams will be harder to take down than merely one gimmick...so I honestly don't think an amalgam format would ruin it.
Just like he does with DD now? No, it would still be hard to hit anyone with enhanced agility and some other powers. I didn't say it wasn't a potent combination (because it is) but it doesn't equal an instant-win.
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