again: what did the baby do to deserve 50,000 volts. what danger was the officer in to warrant such an assault (yes, i said assault) on a pregnant woman and unborn child? it scares me what people are willing to allow.
Sheesh..the woman did not pose any major threat to the police or society. I mean come on..to use that level of force on someone who received a speeding ticket once or twice is friggin ridiculous...
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Your sick of the dimwit sheep logic of "had she obeyed nothing would have happened"? Sorry to tell you, but its true. If she would have just done what the cop said she wouldn't have been tazered. Its her own fault for endangering her babys life, not the cops.
the women did deserve it. And she got it. It was just her own fault she decided to be an idiot and endanger her baby.
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Regardless of the other rights or wrongs of this situation, I do not see how PVS is saying that she was legally in the right not signing the ticket- when that was exactly what she was convicted for.
Clearly she WAS legally obliged to sign, or was liable to arrest if she did not, and was told so. Not doing so was thereofre going to get her arrested, and after that she was resisting arrest- she has a responsibility for her own child too, and resisting arrest when pregnant is hardly smart.
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The assualt wasn't on the baby, it was on the woman. The lady should have let go of the steering wheel as soon as the cops told her she was under arrest. She caused to volts to go through her baby. Again, her fault.
You know what scares me? This whole "She's pregnant thus she should get away with shit people wouldn't normally get away with" mentallity. If a cop asks you to do something, it's a wise choice to do it. She was placed under arrest for shits sake, if that happens you have to go with police, if you refuse they have every right to do what is necessary to make you go with them, whether you're pregnant or not.
because its illegal for someone to be forced to sign anything.
thats the law. similar rights apply to DUI stops. people have the right
to refuse a breathilizer, but they loophole it so that you are then assumed guilty. they find ways to take away our rights, but that doesnt make it just the moment that right is taken away. but whatever, agree with that, disagree...its trivial anyway
the real issue is the tasering of a pregnant woman who was putting nobody in immediate danger. and yes, winddance, TECHNICALLY she was putting all the little children in danger by goinf 12 m.p.h. over the posted speed limit, but the cop pulled her over and the danger was then gone.
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Well, I am afraid the court clearly disagreed with her right to not sign seeing, as I say, she got convicted on that. She was in the wrong.
And has anyone even bothered to check if the cop knew she was pregnant? Easy to assume, but if she didn't get out the car, she could have been due to deliver the next day and it would be easy not to see.
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Regardless of whether or not she broke the law, the amount of force used against her was obviously excessive. I've seen people stopped for far worse offenses and not get manhandled as bad as this women did.
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I don't think anyone is stupid enough not to recognize that a woman is eight months pregnant. It's kinda obvious. Although he was stupid enough to use a tazer...
Did you watch some video that we all didnt that showed what happened to this women? Tazering can be getting a 1 second jolt, that isnt "manhandled" in my opinion.
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You SAY it is obvious, but people have given birth before and not realised they were pregnant. It can be very hard to tell, especially when the woman is still in the car.
Fact is, it would be a total lie to say that the woman would be definitely recognised as pregnant. The title of this thread conjures up a very different image to that the article describes.
I think people should be wary of presumption.
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This is a common argument fallacy; despite me specifically saying I was not contesting that part, you then seem to want to reply trying to argue back on that exact point, trying to make out that just because I disagree over what was right or wrong from her I therefore believe everything else that could be construed as negative about the situation.
Very bad, that.
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Eight months pregnant though? Her stomach should be bulging. Especially with her African heritage. And if she's in a car that means she moves the seat back to accomadate her girth. Which means her preganancy is that much more obvious.
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It conjures up a malicious policeman approaching a pregnant woman in full sight and tasering her with no provocation.
Whereas in fact we have an aggressive, law-breaking woman, not necessarily obviously pregant to the officer, resisting arrest and being subdued with a non-lethal method.
Continents apart.
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Pregnant Woman Tasered by Police
Is like I said...every coin has two sides. And let's be honest here. If you resist arrest chances are you will get into more trouble. Breaking the law and resisting arrest is a bad combination.
and before you say 'he may not have known', i already got that. but here's the kicker ush, he didnt know either way. the woman was a threat to nobody, he was in no danger, and he pulled a weapon and assaulted her.
last i checked cruel and unusual punishment is forbidden.
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