First off, in the one hour prep-time before the fight, Morgred will be familiarising himself with his new powers which would not be all that difficult with him. Morg's high resistance/invulnerability and strength takes little time to get used to. To Morgred, MM's intangibility would be just like using a spell of intangibility but without the words. Morg's cosmic powers would be similar to mystical force bolts and shields. Mordred already has telepathy so MM's would just be a power increase. How quickly will it take Morgred to master all these newfound abilities? Regular Mordred quickly mastered heightened elemental powers and increased magical powers when Chthon took possession of his soul and seeing as Chthon still has his soul, Morgred would be able to master all these powers relatively quickly - learning new powers is nothing new to him. In the last two minutes of prep time, Morgred creates several dozen duplicates of himself, all protected by mystic and cosmic shields....
No doubt, Flash Thordon's Class 100 strength coupled with the speedforce would be able to quickly take down a slower character but how would he be able to attack me when Morgred is covered by mystical and cosmic shields, plus being intangible in addition to having multiple simulacrums around? Use the Q-bands to pummel by shields? No good, magic slices through those constructs as though they weren't even there. Cosmic awareness to find the real Morgred? Nope, he gave that back to Epoch when he came of age (or Epoch took it back). Use the hammer? Is Wendell even worthy of lifting Mjolnir? Protectors of the Universe are born, not made and Thor had to prove himself worthy of lifting Mjolnir. Use Thor's superstrength? Yep, that's the only avenue left open.
Now that I've established that there's no way for Flash Thordon to get to my character to harm him, Morgred would go on the offensive. Firstly, global-level telepathy would pummel Wendell's mind and seeing as he doesn't have an efficient defense mechanism against such an attack, the effects would last the entire fight. It wouldn't KO him but it'll serve as a distraction and a constant drain on his mind. Morgred's duplicates are also realistic enough to fool beings with enhanced senses (the Demogorge), so while Flash is busy running around trying to find the right one, each behind a mystic and cosmic shield, Morgred waits for an opening.
At an opportune moment, the shields drop and Morgred with all his duplicates pile on Flash Thordon. Mystical fire (magic coupled with elemental) burns off the quantum armor that Flash will no doubt be wearing, which now leaves him with just Thor's durability and resitance. At that moment, Morgred uses his earth powers to conjure a giant earth hand, enhanced by magic and cosmic powers, to grab Flash and hold him in place. This will hold Flash Thordon for about a millisecond before he breaks free, just enough time for Morg to punch him in the side of the head for the KO... or decapitate him with his axe. Is Morgred fast enough to do this? He can hang with a speedster like Surfer. Morgred won't get into a long drawn out fight with Thordon. My character is definitely outclassed in terms of foot speed but when it comes to stand-up fighting speed, Morgred will be able to hold his own, and then some because of Morgred's experience - he's had his face melted and arm ripped off in the same fight and still kept going.
To summarise my defense...
- Morgred is always protected by cosmic and mystical shields
- He's intangible so he can't be physically harmed
- Telepathically protected
- Highly invulnerable/resistant via Morg's body
- Illusions to draw attention away from himself
To summarise my offense...
- Superstrength, equal to Thor, at least, and higher when enhanced by power cosmic
- Telepathic attacks for which Flash Thordon has no immunity
- Illusions real enough to fool higher beings
- Command of the entire book of Darkhold
- Elemental powers
- Mystical abilities which slice through Quantum constructs
- Cosmic axe for the finishing touch, sharp enough to injure Firelord and kill Nova
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Dammit Scoob! You wrote too much!
Anyhoo, I've posted my first strategy above and now to counter yours:
Flash Thordon will be blasting right into the fight but which of my simulacrums will you be blasting? You're gonna be using the Q-bands against mystical shields? That'll be quite useless as Q-energies have no effect on magic, whereas a mystical bolt will pass right through a quantum construct, like a hot knife through butter. You can start absorbing the magical and cosmic energy shields that I'll have protecting me and my duplicates, but magic doesn't operate at light speed, and a magic shield will be my outer shield which you'll have to get past first before you can absorb the inner cosmic shield, and even once you get through with the first one, chances are it'll be a duplicate Morgred - of course, you won't know this seeing as you won't be able to hit him or the real Morgred because of my intangibility.
Actually, Morg travels at warp speed but he's also fast in terms of fighting speed - he wouldn't have been able to hang with the Surfer or Terrax if he fought any slower. Anyways, if for some reason or chance, Flash Thordon did connect with a punch, he's not taking out Morg with one punch as he's fought against someone as strong as Thor and as fast as Flash.
Quasar's programmed his bands to protect him from psionic influence, yes, but Morgred isn't trying to control him... he's blasting him with psionic blasts. Quite different.
Also, Quasar's human mind will be operating as normal, not at light speed. Imagine Flash Thordon using Flash's speed but his human mind not fast enough to comprehend - watch him run into my axe. Heh.
Well, part of Flash's power is his reaction speed and endurance.
That power would give the guys mind those reflexes.
But certianly Flash isn't experienced enough to use speed force.
this actually works both ways.... yes magic blasts willl slice through Quantum constructs.... but Quantum blasts and constructs will also cut through magical shields and creations
- mystical shields can by completely bypassed with Quantum attacks
- Cosmic shields can by drained or smashed with my earth chucking enhanced strength
- intangibility on a physical level wont be great protection from magical/mystical blasts
- i don't have telepathic attacks..... so good for you....
- Morg's resistance can't handle my boosted strength
- illusions wont fool the Quantum bands energy detection... or mjolnir's
- Thordons strength greatly surpasses Thor's thanks to the Quantum boosting
- Quantum bands provide protection from telepathy ... plus Thor also has mystical protection from mental assaults..... now i know i'm not using Thor's mind, but i have his body... therefore i have his brain.... which is protected
- fool higher beings .... but not the bands
- Darkhold suxx ballzz..... lol.... either way i can Quantum tear up anything you create.... much like you can do to me
- Complete mastery of natural and mystical storms>=Elemental powers
- "Mystical abilities which slice through Quantum constructs" i don't argue that.... but as stated... it works both ways
- Cosmic axe, Hammer wielded at Flash speeds trumps your axe.... plus i'm just gonna rip it out your hand and chop you own legs off with it
The speed force brings with it the reaction time capable to handle the speeds..... while i may not have full mastery over everything speedforce related i wont be running into axes.... you will still appear to be swinging in slow motion
if that wasn't the case then the Flash and Impulse(or kid flash.... "dumbest name EVER!") would have made paste out of themselves first time they went for a jog
all of them..... as soon as i notice duplicates popping up i create three weapons platforms for each one..... as soon as each gets hit once the blast will tell me straight away which is real or fake..... plus the Quantum bands sensing the Cosmic energies should be a dead giveaway
Thor's essence is still within the Thordon character... so i believe he is capable of using the hammer.... much like the Amalgams in the erm.... amalgam stories between Marvel and DC
of course i could go the other way and say it would be like when Superman lifted it and argue that Odin let's him use it as he knows his son's essence will be at risk
Thor's strength boosted by a hell of a lot
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"while his forcefield could resist an adamantium blade, the Black Knight's magical ebony blade would be able to slice through Quasar's best quantum shield like tissue. Fortunately, magicians have no control over the energies he manipulates so he should be able to slam an energy construct through a mystical shield of Seraphim, for instance."
"Magic. He cannot absorb it, he cannot resist it. Magic can bind him, magicians can even take over his mind. A bolt of magic will penetrate his force field. However, an enchanted physical object will only be as strong as the object itself would otherwise be: while his forcefield could resist an adamantium blade, the Black Knight's magical ebony blade would be able to slice through Quasar's best quantum shield like tissue. Fortunately, magicians have no control over the energies he manipulates so he should be able to slam an energy construct through a mystical shield of Seraphim, for instance" http://www.quantumzone.org/behind_t...ntum-bands.html
Thor still has mental protection from psionic attacks as well.... that plus the speed he'll be attacking at wont leave MTM enough time to form a thought let alone to try and take over his mind
Okay... the Q-bands may be able to bypass the mystical shields however you'll still have cosmic shields to deal with. As per Quasar's standard operating procedure he'll start draining the shields till they're non-existent or you could start pounding on them but this'll take time so you won't be pummelling all my duplicates in 0.3 nanoseconds. Each of my duplicates will have a cosmic shield so you won't be able to tell if they're real or fake by tracing cosmic energies.
Intangibility protects me from physical attacks so Thordon's strength will be quite useless. Magical attacks will also be negated by Mordred's magic and the Darkhold.
Morg's resistance will be sufficient as a back-up if this turns into a boxing match but with Morgred's versatility, going toe-to-toe with Thordon will somewhat be a last resort, and even then my chances will be even - try punching or hammering someone who's intangible.
Thordon's strength will be equal to Thor's. It will only be enhanced while wearing some type of Quantum armor - which will be quickly removed by mystical fire. Well... if you have Thor's brain then I'll have Morg's cosmic senses and reaction time because that's part of his physiology - which means no one will be moving at snail's pace. Which I won't be anyway, Morg's reaction and fighting speed is the same as the Surfer's.
As I already stated in my previous post, the Q-bands can't protect you from a magician trying to take over your mind. Thor? Hmm... how many times has he been enchanted or influenced by a sorcerer/ess?
Elemental powers = power over the elements, not weather. You can make storms, wind and lightning. I'll control the water and snow that falls, the earth, fire... and Morgred can make these out of nothing, not just control what's existing.
Well... Morgred won't be using the axe, except as a coup de grace or a killing blow.
I bring up the "worthiness" thing because young Thor also had "Thor's essence" but he wasn't able to lift it. But I'll be handicapping you if the hammer's taken away so I'll give you that.
your duplicates are handled by my automated Quantum weapon platforms and will provide little or no additional distraction
Quasar will also be able to trace the Cosmic energy back to the source relatively easily
Mjolnirs continual mystical barrage when enhanced by Quantum energies will take down any shield.... intangibility can also be affected by certain energies both natural and mystical... as Quasar controls almost all natural energies it would only be a matter of time (time passed at superspeed) until he found one type that effects your form
not really.... Morg may be able to match Thor in a boxing match but this is an amplified Thor with much greater reaction speed.... Quantum armour isn't needed to enhance his strength ... he just channels the power into himself
which is still well below the Flash's..... it's argued a lot that Surfer has warp speed reactions.... but it has never been shown... Flash shows it all the time.... if Surfer had reaction speeds like the Flash then he would have no trouble at all with Thanos
if he had an easy to influence mind then Loki would've taken him over long ago..... or the Enchantress... or one of the many other beings of godly magic he fights
i wasn't even going to mention the weather as it wouldn't really affect either combatant
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there's more counter strategy..... time to go on offense
Thordon has limitless energy at his disposal via the Quantum bands, with his mind operating at Flash levels he can create hundreds of constructs a second..... Quasar has given the Surfer plenty of trouble before at his regular speed so this should be more than enough to assault and take down shields of anyone with around the Surfer's level of power cosmic.... this assault can happen alongside the continual hammer blasts as that requires less concentration once it's begun (more of an on-off thing) .... so a cosmic shield destroying assault that wont notice your magical shields is on you..... your only defence is intangibility which will only protect you for the few moments it takes for Thordon to run through every universal energy at his disposal.... though i do believe magical energy blasts can affect the physically intangible i have definitely Vision, Moonstone and other phasers hampered by various energy blasts and fields
"Automated Quantum Weapon Platforms"? Nice try Scoob. I love Quasar and I wish he could do that but...
"However, there is a definite limit to the number of things he can animate at the same time. If a construct has moving parts--say, two blades of a pair of scissors--it will take concentration to keep that object operating. When he stops thinking about it, it will stop moving though it will not blink out of existence"
"While it's possible to perform two similar but different tasks at the same time it's difficult and takes longer than doing a sequence of separate tasks. In other words, to form a shield and a chair at the same time would probably take him just as long as forming one first and then the other, and they probably would not be as well constructed as doing them separately."
... if Quasar has to concentrate to operate a pair of scissors...
FT wouldn't be able to channel quantum energy straight into himself. I mean, how many times have you seen Quasar lifting heavy weights all by his lonesome? He uses the Q-bands to make armor in order for him to do that. The Q-bands are strictly and outer power, not used to enhance strength and agility.
Hmm... you're saying Flash would beat Thanos? All the heralds have hightened reaction speed, if not, do you know how many planets and moons they'd be bumping into while flying at warp speed? So, additionally, if they can fly and react at warp speed, then they'd be fighting at that speed.
I believe you'll agree that Loki and Enchantress have both, at one time or another, influenced, clouded or controlled Thor's mind. Of course, in the end, being the hero Thor would break free. But that's after a while - but this fight will last about two minutes at the longest.
While Q-bands can neglect mystical shields, Quasar can still be bound by mystical means so the crimson bands aren't out of the question.
I wasn't going to mention the weather either but my point was just to counter your claim that weather control > elemental powers.
A new offense would go like this....
- The real Morgred will be in the middle of the battlefield once the fight begins
- He's surrounded by numerous duplicates which he created during prep time. In addition, these duplicates are protected by magical and cosmic shields
- Morgred is intangible
- Thordon starts hammering through the shields looking for the real Morgred
- A constant stream of telepathic blasts attack Thordon's mind, rendering him incapable of creating effective Q-constructs on the fly (see Q-bands limitations)
- Dozens of earth pillars shoot up from the ground forcing Thordon to split his time between hammering shields and dodging the pillars
- Mystical fire engulfs Thordon as he's flying around, taking away any Quantum armor he might be wearing and any strength enhancements that gave him, leaving him with regular Thor strength
- While Thordon is busy dodging pillars and attempting to break shields, all the duplicate Morgreds throw their axes at him, and Thordon, not knowing that they're merely illusions, evades them, putting him more on the defensive
- Then Morgred casts a mystical mind-clouding spell that convinces Thordon that the real Morgred is right in front of him... Thordon throws Mjolnir towards his foe, convinced that it'll break through any shield, which it won't but that doesn't matter
- As Thordon releases Mjolnir, the crimson bands of cytorrak grab hold of his arms, holding them in place, a giant earth formation grabs hold of the rest of him... then the real Morgred teleports behind Thordon. He plunges his arm right into Thordon's back and rips out his spine... ending the fight (just as he did with the Demogorge)
Emphasizing this bit but I'll be kind and not take over his mind, just cloud it enough... for now. And it's Wendell's mind, not Thor's brain, not that it makes any difference... both can be sufficiently confused
Nice fight. This is how they all should be (longpig/Sentry came the closest in my mind).
Question...I think I understand the magic/Quantum stuff, but would they collide into each other and cancel each other out? Or are they (quantum energy and magical energy) operating on different levels of energy and therefore just 'going through' each other?
That it for now...points to KVD for the gruesome ending there, but I haven't made my mind up yet, so keep it up.