Okay, if somehow he could target them all at once, it'd still be a pointless power display as lightning will do little to my shields. And nope, Superman isn't as fast as the Flash.
Last counter for the point above before I leave for the day...
A duplicate that you just hammered started acting like it was in pain, so in your discombobulated, mentally-weakened, telepathically-confused state of mind you'll start concentrating your attacks on that duplicate, which will have enhanced shielding, thinking it was the actual MTM... which leaves you open to my hand-cleaving, spine-ripping attack from the back... as stated earlier.
I get a bit nervous when I log on in the morning and see there have been 20 additional posts on this thread since the day before so I'll summarize the debate today from my point of view...
- At the start of the battle, I've created duplicates shielded by cosmic and mystic energies. Scoob says he'll attack these with lightning but that'll do little to my shields. Additionally, I create one more animated simulacrum with much heavier shielding than the others. Meanwhile, Morgred is teleporting around the battlefield - invisible and sufficiently shielded of course.
- When the battle begins, I quickly home in on FT using both Martian Manhunter's telepathy and Mordred's magical telepathy. FT has nothing to counter these two powers... Quasar's mind is susceptible to magical telepathy, AND his Q-bands can't protect him from psionics. The constant mental attacks causes him intense pain (which will sap his strength and speed), confusion (where he won't know what to attack and whether something is real or not) and lack of concentration (which will cause his attacks to be sloppy and less-effective). This will be like a Professor X mind-assault on a regular person.
- Additionally I'll be able to cloud your mind quite easily, where you won't know what you'll be hitting - trick you into thinking there are ten MTM's right in front of you, the real MTM is lying dead on the ground as I sneak up behind you, that I have my axe to Kayla's throat giving Wendell pause... any number of mind-tricks can be put to play.
- The crimson bands will be conjured right away to bind FT, slow down to absorb them (if you can do that) and FT will leave himself open to other numerous magical, elemental, cosmic attacks or a flying axe. And chances are he won't be able to absorb them properly anyway, he's confused by the TP attacks. And in the off chance that he does absorb them, I conjure another set.
- I'll have granite spikes (now, not pillars!) shooting up from the earth, serving as additional distraction. I'll have hardened ice shooting down from the sky also serving as a distraction. Neither of these will cause you much harm but they'll serve to confuse you more, and maybe with your speed and concentration being sapped by my telepathic attacks - a couple of lucky hits to bump you around. The good thing is, once this spell is going, Morgred doesn't have to think about it so it's no drain on him.
- The duplicates will be placed in such a way that it'll funnel you right to the place where I want you - which is where my prime-duplicate is. While you're hammering there at reduced strength and speed, thinking it's the real MTM, the crimson bands will grab hold of you, my earth-elemental powers will bind you down, an axe lops off your hand and Mjolnir... and so on.
- The speed differential between out characters isn't that great. You have Flash while I have the Manhunter and Morg to counter with. Admittedly, you have an edge in speed however my character is fast enough to keep up... PLUS my character isn't getting any slower, while yours will be slowing down the moment the fight begins.
- There's no strength differential between us as the power cosmic will equal all the enhancements that you can put on Thor. But this isn't much of an issue as I won't be fighting you hand to hand.
Are you positive your guy can cast the Bands?
Not just anyone can do so, Doom tried, and Strange told him he cast them wrong, then proceeded to undo the spell.
I can't really remember anyone other than DS DD and Cytt' casting them.
just because shields are magic based doesn't mean they will be an effective defence against Mjolnir..... in fact if they get absorbed there's a very good chance that the link from your shields to your magic reserves will cause Mjolnir to begin absorbing all your magical power... while it may not happen instantly it should prove very uncomfortable to you making your other plans sloppy or nullified
either way they aren't instant..... which means there will be time to slice them up, absorb them, or destroy them with a blast
he also added this... which is equally interesting
all of them at once.... Thor's lightning attacks have caused problems for various powerful opponents... i don't think you can dismiss their damage potential so easily
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ok ....... how would your character even know what the quantum bands can and cannot detect?... so why would the magic shields be outer? the power cosmic has larger reserves than you magical powers so it would make more sense for them to be utilised as the initial defence
even you have to admit that multiple magical duplicates split your power into less effective means.... even if you created one more powerful than the others it still wouldn't be nearly as shielded as a single being... writhing or not it wouldn't last more than a second or two... especially when you keep yourself shielded and invisible
as for multitasking and having large power reserves.... i've read quite a few stories with Dr Strange where he is worried about the amount of energy/strength he has left and how much he uses up on powerful attacks...... you will be weakening throughout the battle and neither Morg nor MM's strength can replenish you when your magic is draining
a regular person who is invulnerable to telepathy and has mystical resilience to mental assaults...
new trick..... the quantum bands control the entire electromagnetic spectrum....... i use these to draw in all the light in the area causing complete darkness ..... your character would attempt to use some magical trick to grant himself sight... either way blinding him momentarily will confuse and disorientate him...... while you're coming up with some way to see, i track your energy, fly right up to you stop, unleash a flash of light more blinding than a nuclear explosion, which may not actually permanently blind a heralds eyes... but the magicians mind can't know this and will react as anyone else would.... he'd panic and attempt to cover his eyes... which in turn would further drop any offence and most of his defence..... i use this opportunity to smash & blast the hell of out MTM
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We need some more voters...it's still 3-3. Damn good fight, though...but I realize it must be a bit tiring.
And I'm too lazy to quote it right now, but I referred to my guy by about 10 different names in my write-up (my, I, we, him, Kinky, the General, Apollo, Loki, etc.) A little odd...but fun...I switch a lot in most threads anyway (i.e. I'll use something like "Tony" and "Iron Man" in the same sentence).
lol... yeah.... i had done it so many times in my initial write-ups and first few debate points with KVD... at first i'd read through and change them from "i'd blast the hell out of you" to "Thordon will blast the hell out of MTM"...... now i've just resigned myself to the fact that i actually am Thordon.... it saves a lot of confusion
Dr Doom did cast that spell wrong but at that time Doom hadn't been trained by Strange yet, so Doom's magic was still tied to the "minor magic of the earth", he probably knew of the spell but hadn't cast it before. Mordred's magic far surpasses Doom's - Doom knows gypsy magic and was trained for a little bit by Dr Strange; Mordred was already a magician in the 16th century before Chthon gave him the power of the Darkhold.
Seeing as the Darkhold (a book written by the Elder God Chthon, of every spell he knew) is a complete book of dark magic, and Mordred knows every spell in that book in addition to the magic he already knows... I'm positive he'd be able to cast the Crimson Bands.
Oh no, I agree that the magic shields will eventually crumble or be absorbed into Mjolnir. It'd be a blatant lie if I said that they'll hold up to a continuous attack from that magic hammer. I'm saying that they're more than sufficient defence against your "Lightning at the start of the battle" strategy. Hammer the hell out of them and they'll eventually crumble. Absorb them, that'll take time. As for absorbing the source of my magic power... I'm going to have to say no. I'd like to see it happen... how many times has Mjolnir absorbed cosmic or magic energy and then start absorbing he source? If he absorbed a cosmic energy blast from the Surfer, does he then start draining the Surfer? If he absorbed the Flames of the Faltine, does the start absorbing Dormammu? Absorb the Darkhold? The nerve...
I think I can dismiss the damage potential of lightning, regular or otherwise.
Whether Flash Thordon can detect magic isn't really a concern of mine - I'll be using magic anyway. That the Quantum Bands can't detect that type of energy is a bonus, and a slight disadvantage for your character. Never mind that magic shields are my first line of defence... it's my flawed strategy, Scoob
Yes, creating duplicates will split up my energies but when I (now I'm referring to MTM as I) draw from a near-infinite source - the Darkhold - I can afford creating multiple shields. A second or two is more than I need from each of the duplicates. But with the telepathic and psionic attacks on your mind, it'll take you longer to smash through each subsequent duplicate.
The big difference between Dr Strange and Mordred is that the Sorcerer Supreme is a human conduit for magic, Mordred is magic incarnate (according to the Demogorge). Running out of energy is the least of my concerns - more concerned about the crazy blond guy with the hammer.
Haha Scoob. You keep persisting that you're invulnerable to telepathy when I think everyone knows FT is just a regular joe without any mental defences against two telepathic juggernauts. Hate to sound like a broken record but again - the Quantum Bands can't defend against psionics, and neither can they protect you from magical telepathy. Better believe it
As for your new strategy... I have eyes that can see in the darkest reaches of space... and with that one line, your new strategy is negated.
eyes can only see if there is light to allow them to see.... the "darkest reaches of space" still have very low levels of ambient light (whether visible or not to humans) ... once all of that is gone you'll see as well as a brick in a bag
i think Quasar can drain the Surfer.... not 100% sure about the rest... although Thor completely drained the Presence (uber powerful russian super villain) and would have killed him by doing so if some woman hadn't begged him to stop.... since Mjolnir absorbs almost all energies i don't see why it wouldn't work on a magically powered foe
there will be no dismissing of my awesome magical lightning.... you Curr
almost as bad as your flawed spelling.... either way, whatever shields you have upfront will only add to my character's own power
as well you should be ....
i never claimed invulnerability.... only stronger than normal defence to it... although i am invulnerable to regular telepathy in the form of non-magic mind reading/control
Regular eyes can't see further than light allows them - Surfer can see a lightyear away. Herald's don't have regular eyes.
Stronger than normal defence? You're vulnerable to magic telepathy. You're vulnerable to psionics. So where does this "stronger than normal defence" come from"?
Flawed spelling eh? Mye spelinggs hav knowphlaws.
Whatever shields my character has will hold long enough for me to slow you down and sap your strength via telepathy. You can drain the shields to your heart's content. You can try to drain my character if you can get a hold of him - which you won't. But for arguments sake, in the off chance that you grab on to him and start draining, I'll be lopping of FT's head.
further and better yes... but they still need variations of the electromagnetic spectrum to see at all... if i draw in all of this then you are blinded
Thor's meta-human resilience to mental attack.... the fact that my mind will be operating at a greatly increased rate should help as well..... quicker recovery time... in fact as my mind is working within a different time frame it may make it extremely difficult for you to affect me at all when coupled with Thor's resistance
i don't need to grab hold to drain you.... it all works remotely while i'm also swinging/throwing various quantum weapons at you & continually blasting......
I'm going to have to disagree with your opinion about sight, and probably anyone who knows the powers of Galactus' heralds would as well.
We're back to your Thor's brain argument? Alright Scoob, I'll humor you... again, my telepathy is attacking Wendell's mind, the psionics are attacking Wendell's mind, not Thor's brain. And even if, and that's a big IF, Thor's brain is resistant to mental attack, he's still susceptible to mental suggestion, confusion and trickery.
How are you using the hammer to smash a shield, conjure lightning and absorb magical energies while you're being mentally attacked? Even Thor has never done all these at the same time... "Have at thee knave! And Mjolnir, while you're at it conjure some lightning and drain that guy over there". What the?! And it still begs the question, how are you grabbing hold of me... shields will take time to batter through or drain, you're dodging spikes, being blasted mentally, tricked telepathically, you can't see me or detect me, axes flying at you (not knowing which is the real one)... fast as you initially were, you're slowing down... and I'm not even in the vicinity, I'm shielded, invisible and intangible sitting on a tank watching the lightshow
*sigh*... no.... we're on the part where i argue that Thor's resilience (much like MM's telepathy) is part of the characters power.... i claimed Thor's powers as part of my amalgam... so i get his mental resistance as well as his strength
Okay Scoob, but Thor is still susceptible to mental suggestion, confusion and trickery... (Roy Thomas run on Thor, and actual mythology - Thor tricked into thinking a mountain is a giant's head so he smashed it and wrestiling an old woman, not knowing it's old age)... so Thor's mental defences are not that great
they aren't perfect but they are there..... the fact is that you're "beaming" psi-attacks at regular speed and Thordon is experiencing and recovering from them at superspeed... by the time you've finished sending each one Thordon is over it and you lose the chance to take advantage of distraction
They aren't perfect? Aww... come on, it's virtually non-existent. It's like holding up a piece of paper to block a cosmic blast from the Surfer. And it isn't one shot of TP blast after another, it's a constant stream of telepathy, psionic energy and mind-tricking illusions... no recovery time for you Scoob
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