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Markka Ragnos vs Palpatine
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Markka Ragnos vs Palpatine
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MythLord
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Ragnos has better feats than RotS Sidious, tbh.


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To resurrect Ragnos the energies of the Massassi temple was one of many nexuses absorbed in his scepter. Those temples are powerful enough to make Dorsk 81 force push a fleet of star destroyers half way across the Yavin system. Said scepter also made non force sensitivea on par with generic jedi knights and that happened to hundreds in the Galaxy.

Then there's his accolades like JA Luke saying a Resurrected Ragnos would need the entire NJO along with Luke to take him down and as a mere spirit implied to be able to kill Naga Sadow. Ik people here don't buy the Luke accolade but tbh Don't see why not. Fits with the video games hype and his overall hype in general.


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To resurrect Ragnos the energies of the Massassi temple was one of many nexuses absorbed in his scepter. Those temples are powerful enough to make Dorsk 81 force push a fleet of star destroyers half way across the Yavin system. Said scepter also made non force sensitivea on par with generic jedi knights and that happened to hundreds in the Galaxy.


No, it was the combined Battle Meld of 30 Jedi, not the Temples, that allowed Dorsk 81 to perform that feat.

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Then there's his accolades like JA Luke saying a Resurrected Ragnos would need the entire NJO along with Luke to take him down and as a mere spirit implied to be able to kill Naga Sadow. Ik people here don't buy the Luke accolade but tbh Don't see why not. Fits with the video games hype and his overall hype in general.


It's because Luke knows absolutely nothing about Ragnos and once he was resurrected he was defeated only by a single Jedi Knight.


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Are you joking or? Palpatine easily.

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Fits with the video games hype
that's bold laughing


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Is this a joke? Sidious is canonically stronger than Ragnos and has better feats lol. Every version of Palpatine wins.


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Is this a joke? Sidious is canonically stronger than Ragnos and has better feats lol. Every version of Palpatine wins.


Even infant Palps?

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I wonder what their reasoning was back in the day


It was all hype. Look up any old Ragnos thread and you'll see that he was treated, by most here, as the strongest Sith-or even character, in SWEU.


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Forgot to respond. Azronger, I thought the 30 students tapped into the temples and focused the energies into Dorsk 81?

Luke fought an ancient Sith Aka Kun. He knows how dangerous they are, he wouldn't make a claim so lightly.

Ragnos wasn't fully resurrected he was possessing Tavion which isn't his FP.


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And Tavion is a relative weakling. Considering you have to drain planets' worth of Force power to even revive Ragnos, and his mere spirit caused Ludo and Naga to bow in submission, it's safe to say he's how you say, powerful.


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Was it entire planets? Thought it was powerful nexuses on planets. Regardless yeah, don't see why people are so quick to disregard Lukes comment and go as far as to compare the statement to ones of Lumiya. Ragnos other hype:

Being the most powerful Sith during the Golden age of the Sith where the Sith had access to planet killing techniques and technology that can bust stars. Ludo making a gauntlet for his son is powerful enough to tank turbolaser bolts and logically his stuffs stronger.

Nexuses like the ones from Vjun and the already mentioned Massassi temples are needed to resurrect him, the staff that absorbed it even gathered so much energy it could spare enough to empower hundreds of beings, many of which were non force sensitive, to be as powerful as a Jedi Knight.

Ragnos empowered Kun and Ulic immensely when he was a spirit.

His death sent tremors through the Force.

His spirit was implied by Ludo to.be able to kill Sadow.

And some other stuff I might be forgetting.

Add how TOR says Ragnos was akin to the Sith Juggernaut class, he is a titan.


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Was it entire planets? Thought it was powerful nexuses on planets. Regardless yeah, don't see why people are so quick to disregard Lukes comment and go as far as to compare the statement to ones of Lumiya. Ragnos other hype:

Being the most powerful Sith during the Golden age of the Sith where the Sith had access to planet killing techniques and technology that can bust stars. Ludo making a gauntlet for his son is powerful enough to tank turbolaser bolts and logically his stuffs stronger.

Nexuses like the ones from Vjun and the already mentioned Massassi temples are needed to resurrect him, the staff that absorbed it even gathered so much energy it could spare enough to empower hundreds of beings, many of which were non force sensitive, to be as powerful as a Jedi Knight.

Ragnos empowered Kun and Ulic immensely when he was a spirit.

His death sent tremors through the Force.

His spirit was implied by Ludo to.be able to kill Sadow.

And some other stuff I might be forgetting.

Add how TOR says Ragnos was akin to the Sith Juggernaut class, he is a titan.


Yeah and he pretty much made the Sith Emperor his pawn. As in "nice job subjugating your planet with the Force. Come join my club, kid". I still don't know why the guy didn't try to extend his life or something crazy. It's only the rule of plot convenience that he didn't try to do what Sadow nearly succeeded in doing.


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Yeah and he pretty much made the Sith Emperor his pawn. As in "nice job subjugating your planet with the Force. Come join my club, kid". I still don't know why the guy didn't try to extend his life or something crazy. It's only the rule of plot convenience that he didn't try to do what Sadow nearly succeeded in doing.
And Tulak Hord is powerful too.


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Forgot to respond. Azronger, I thought the 30 students tapped into the temples and focused the energies into Dorsk 81?

Luke fought an ancient Sith Aka Kun. He knows how dangerous they are, he wouldn't make a claim so lightly.

Ragnos wasn't fully resurrected he was possessing Tavion which isn't his FP.


1. I can't remember it being stated anywhere. Besides, the temples are dark side nexi. It'd be quite strange for a group of light-sided Jedi to be able to draw off of them.

2. Exactly. He fought one, so he's using that as the basis for all others, which is why his word is meaningless. Kun is the most powerful Ancient Sith Lord who ever existed, more powerful than Ragnos. But Luke couldn't know that. He couldn't know anything about Ragnos, and his word is meaningless, as I said.

3. Quote? He's as resurrected as he could be without a body, which he acquired from Tavion.


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And Tavion is a relative weakling. Considering you have to drain planets' worth of Force power to even revive Ragnos, and his mere spirit caused Ludo and Naga to bow in submission, it's safe to say he's how you say, powerful.


Entire planets' worth of power? Quote, please.


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Entire planets' worth of power? Quote, please.


Fine, the collective Force nexi of about five or six planets. Satisfied?


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Why is OP so into submission?

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Why is OP so into submission?


hes a gimp, comes with the territory

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Fine, the collective Force nexi of about five or six planets. Satisfied?


They didn't drain the planets in their entirety, and no planet was fully a nexus anyway, IIRC. There were a few focal points of Force energy per planet that they drained, to my memory.


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They didn't drain the planets in their entirety, and no planet was fully a nexus anyway, IIRC. There were a few focal points of Force energy per planet that they drained, to my memory.


Which is still by itself an incredible point. You can shift the goalposts a bit, but it doesn't invalidate the feather in Ragnos' cap.


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