And what times were those. That fake lunge people keep posting, or when his lightning was reflected by Mace. Mace whipped Sids, people just won't believe Mace beat Sids, but Yoda couldn't. Well it happened, we all saw it. I'm with Fishy on this one, show me the quote. Because the movie shows Mace beat him, and he beat with out that much work either. Some could argue Mace was toying with Sids in that saber fight. Mace didn't look suprised until Sids lightning almost knocked him back, but he held on and could've killed Sidious, because Sids was already beat when Mace kicked him. After Mace kicked him the fight was pretty much over.
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Fake lunge? Yeah that picture above is fake. You caught me...I hired Samuel L. Jackson to be Mace Windu and I also hired Ian McDiarmid to play as Darth Sidious for a quick camera shot.
Reallity check...thats a real picture...and if you don't belive me...I don't care. When "Revenge of the Sith" comes out for DVD you just pause it during the fight scene. And you'll just happen to find this scene in there.
It's a real picture, but the move isn't a lunge directed to kill Mace, what I meant was he didn't have him beat at that point. Sids body was fully extended and he wasn't going any farther, and when I posted, you can't see the picture, its been taken out.
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Mace beat Sids in the movie. Post the part in the novel where Sids totally set up Mace and I will shut the hell up, but until then Mace beat Sids.
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I agree, you cant base mostly off of opinions, have some facts to go with it. As for Mace, his syle Vaapad is supposed to be powerful against siths am i correct?
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Some people just won't believe that because Yoda is stronger than Mace and he didn't beat Sids that Mace can't beat Sids. I think the movie made it pretty clear who won between Sids and Mace. This argument will never end though.
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Mace and Yoda are the strongest Jedi at the time. People have quotes from Lucas that say "you have to be Mace or Yoda to hang with the Emperor," while others have quotes that say ."Mace and Yoda are equal." Sids knew they were the only threats to his reign of terror and feared them both to some extent. Mace went first and Sids knew he was coming, but Sids also had Anakin close by, who he knows has already turned to the darkside, he tells the Separatists he'll have a new apprentiece soon. So when he fights Mace he expects him to be good but not as good as he was, but he had Anakin close by to help if he needed it, and he needed help, therefore killing Mace. When Yoda came to fight Sids Anakin was gone, it was just him and Yoda. He knows nobody can save him this time around and he gives Yoda everything he can handle and beats him enough to have Yoda retreat. The reason Sids begs Anakin for help is that although he knows he'll turn, Anakin is taking to long to do it during the fight. Sids feels himself beginning to die and speeds up Anakin's turn to the darkside.
Just thought I'd leave you with that thought, until next time, I got to get up early in the morning.
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Strong am I with the force, but not that strong....twilight is upon me and soon night must fall, that is the way of things, the way of the force... -Yoda
if anakin was not part of the plot, then sidious would have eaten mace for brunch.......i know that, and just because all of you are ignorant, im not going to let that get me down. i know im right, and badass. so long milkshakes.
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Sorry...but film > novel.
I know what the novel states. First Sidious fears Mace then he gives into his anger. When he does so his body slowly desintegrates and the same time Mace is getting weaker (Sidious force lightning causes Mace lightsaber to come close to his face). In this case Anakin is the deceiding factor. Mace can't take Sidious alone and Sidious can't take Mace alone. They both need help from Anakin.
But see...that clearly dissents the things we can see in the film. In the film we have Mace CLEARLY defeting Sidious. Sidious is on the ground and everything he can do is keep the lightsaber of Mace away by using force lightning and he can't do that very long since his body is getting weaker and weaker. In this situation it's only Sidious that needs help not Mace.
And for me the things that are shown in the film are more important than the things written in the novel. In the novel you also have Obi-Wan fighting and destroying thousands of droids to get to Grievous. Can that be seen in the film ?
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Mace uses the style of fighting called Vaapad. It is channeling the dark to light and channeling a dark user's force to repel his own attacks by re-channeling the energy exerted in the dark user's attack.
Mace Windu was known to be a Master at the art. Hence, the emperor did get owned.
In the case of Yoda, his style of fighting I forget...But, it involves all kinds of flips, dashes, jumps, etc. It is very hard to counter and very hard to deploy. The emperor could not handle the fines of the the little green guy so he resorted to using other measures. Yoda failed and did not lose. he knew he had to escape, thus demonstrating his wit and wisdom. An overconfident force user would stick around and try to continue fighting without his weapon. The movies and books make Obiwan look weak, but he did take down Darth Maul and Darth Vader. He owned them. Get involved deep into the star wars universe before you try to comment on what is weaker or stronger. One side draws on immediate instantaneous power, while the other deploys defense and is passive in its deployment.
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In terms of saber dueling: Yoda> Mace> Sidious
In terms of force: Yoda = Sidious> Mace
Sidious did get lucky against Yoda but he was also holding back against Mace because he knew Annakin would come.
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