Eowyn seemed much more like a stronger woman than Arwen. Arwen was only worried about Aragorn and their love...where as even though Eowyn was falling in love with him...she was not scared to fight for what she loved the most !!!
__________________ I am proud and honored to be Legolas's sister. In whose friendly embrace i shall feel conforted. And when times are ill he's always by my side.
i cant believe arwen is winning!!!! she dusnt do nethin!!!! yer, liv tyler is a good actress but her character is rubbish!!!! eowyn is wkd and she actually fights and helps in the war!!!! she rules and totally kicks arse!!
I voted Eowyn, shes a stronger character in a lot of respects and is more involved at the forefront of the story wheras Arwen seems to be a background character, an important background character but still a background character.
__________________ Yet the making of things is in my heart from my own making by thee; and the child of little understanding that makes a play of the deeds of his father may do so without without thought of mockery, but because he is the son of his father.
Arwen by miles in da film. ive never read da books and i know evry1 is saying eowyn defated da witch king bla bla bla but arwen challenged all 9 of dem raith thingies so she is not timid!!!!!!!! Eowyn really annoyed me aswell!!!!!!!!
I'm saying Arwen (i did this post last year and eowyn won). I really didn't like eowyn as i thought she was far to easily treading on arwens turf with aragorn! I liked her better in rotk but she did treat merry like a child which peed me off! She also mopes to mcuh, and never for theodin thought he seems to think so lol lol.
I don't mind her now though!
I just love arwen. so so so so wonderful, beautiful, brave. GREAT!
As a side note Arwen did not challenge all the Nine in the books. Whilst in the film P.J put her into do that (something I'll never forgive him for) it was actually the Elf Lord Glorfindel who challenged all nine. He was only one of a handful of people that could ride openly against the Nine.
He is also one of only two in the book who can defend himself against the Nine Nazgűl the other being Gandalf (upon Amon Sul). Glorfindel is actually a Elf of the Noldor (I believe it was the Noldor) sent back from the halls of waiting after death, he died defeating a Balrog during his time in Valinor he ascended to nearly Maia like power levels if all texts are to be believed. Arwen is no where near as powerful. In terms of power I don't think even Elrond would surpass him only Galadriel could.
As stated before whilst Arwen is important I prefer Eowyn as a character.
__________________ Yet the making of things is in my heart from my own making by thee; and the child of little understanding that makes a play of the deeds of his father may do so without without thought of mockery, but because he is the son of his father.
she kills herself (aka gives up her immortality) if thats not brave i don't know what is! you don't need to put a sword in someones hand to make them strong and brave!
Yeah, P.J gave Arwen a bigger role. It's no wonder. The lovestory between Aragorn and Arwen is almoast the only one in the lord of the rings trilogy, save some smaller ones like Sam and Rose, and Eowyn - Faramir. so I can understand the director wanting a big female role in the otherwise so male dominated story. But I can agree with you, sometimes it's pretty annoying when P.J turns the story upside down..
I'm not sure if the Glorfindel in Gondolin and the one in Rivendell are the same. There are many examples where Tolkien uses the same name twice or even trice. For example Echtelion, Gothmog or Aragorn.. but it would be darn cool if they were the same person. I find it hard to proove anything on this matter. it remains unclear.
I also vote Eowyn, she has a more complex personality. I wonder one thing though (this is kinda off topic) did she fall in love with aragorn like in the movies? I can't remember...
Whilst initially Tolkien did think to reuse the name his later and near final writings show him changing his mind I believe to reflect that Glorfindel was one and the same. Glorfindel also is mentioned knowing Gandalf as Olorin in the blessed land before either wan sent/sent back to Middle-earth. Because of his stay in the Blessed Realm its it written (and I have seen the passage somewhere I must now go and read all my books) that this was the reason why Glorfindel was so powerful. He became near maia like in status.
Its also worth noting that because Glorfindel had dwelled there and seen the light of the two trees he existed in both the seen world and the unseen world at the same time. The Nazgul see him "unveiled" as it were, a shining light of an Elf Lord in all his fury. Arwen had not seen the light of the two trees and there's no way her power levels could be the same.
__________________ Yet the making of things is in my heart from my own making by thee; and the child of little understanding that makes a play of the deeds of his father may do so without without thought of mockery, but because he is the son of his father.
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