Do you think Wolverine being able to through a punch 10x faster than a skilled real world human is really that much of a stretch for Wolverine. Really?
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The difference between Stephan Hawking and Beast is a butt-ugly face that looks like Grendel(yes I'm talking about Stephan, not the furry, lovable Beast) and the fact that Beast has superhuman reflexes, while Hawkings does not. Yes, you're right, just because someone has a genius-level intellect doesn't mean they can think super-humanly fast. But, Beast's mind isn't just smart, it's quick too. Just like there are people, such as the world's fastest clapper, that can process muscle commands at a much faster rate than a regular human without having to be relatively intelligent. You take a cougar for example, and measure his striking speed, and reaction time and compare it with a human's, the cougar is surely faster. But the cougar is in no way smarter than the human. In this fight, metaphorically, beast's reaction time and speed is that of a cougar's while Wolverine's equates to that of an olympic-level athlete. Just think about it for a second...Wolverine punching faster than beast, having stronger muscles, and have a quicker reaction time? I don't think I'd be able to stand reading a comic where Wolverine outbeats Best in every aspect like that, ever. My eyes would just .
And if Wolverine's muscle tissue were more dense than Beast's, than he'd be able to lift in excess of 10 tons, a feat which he has yet to accomplish.
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Ummm rofl, superman could easily throw 20 punches in one second, in fact he'd be able to throw 200 in a fraction of a second with Opra Winfrey and Rosie O'donnel wrapped around each arm...
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Most of what you are rambling on about comes down to what you think Beast should be able to do and not what he can and has done. Wolverine is faster than Beast because on panel he moves faster than Beast does, any opinion to the contrary is irrelevant without something concrete to back it. Speculation on how fast Beast's mind should work, the size of his nerve fibers or the relative density of his muscles, and other speculative theory crafting that has never been mentioned on panel is fine but brings little of merit to the discussion. We trade in facts here, what a character has done on panel is paramount.
You equate Beast to a Cougar and Wolverine to an Olympic level athlete, but the reality is Wolverine is like a Cougar... of a Cougar spent a century honing it's natural instincts with a life time of martial arts and combat experience. Wolverine's even stated that he fights faster than he can even process, and he just lets his body go on instinct while he thinks about other things. Wolverine is low level superhuman across the board, Beast is stronger and more agile, but Wolverine is faster.
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Styletime made that himself to make fun of you for citing a wiki page, showing that anyone can put in anything they want regardless of the factuality...
Way to not get the joke.
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Sure he's trained for hundreds of years, but that doesn't mean your body will become super humanly fast. It does have a limit, regardless of how much you train you can't remake your dna, and neither can he. How is Beast having really dense muscles speculation? It's the only possible explanation as to why he can lift as much as he does. A silverback gorilla is larger than beast, yet it cannot lift half what Beast can. Why? Because his muscle tissues aren't as dense/compact. If it's not a matter of density, than what is it? A supernatural force given to him by a higher being?
It's really a matter of Marvel not bothering to get into detail on Beast's anatomy .
But you're right, that's no excuse, because it's not written in the comics. I guess even if a comic said karate kid could roundhouse kick the earth into the sun, it'd still be viable proof. That's just the way it goes I guess, and because of that yes, you're right in that regard and I am wrong.
I'd still like to believe in my mind though, that Beast is faster than Wolverine, if it's alright with you guys.
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Honestly I have serous doubts that Beast is stronger. He has less feats, which are less consistent and arnt as impressive as wolverines either for the most part. There also direct comparison between the two were a weaken wolverine breaks shackles with not assistance's, but a health beast can not do the same. I know the idea is he should be stronger, but in reality I don't think he is and beast is a lot more bark then bite.