In ESB Yoda said his training wasn't finished that he wasn't ready. When Luke returned he had no aditional training from Yoda. He didn't need any more training because he couldn't get anymore training. If yoda would have the choice he would have send him to train under somebody else. But there weren't any others.
If calling a blaster to your hand is mastering something then its going to be very easy for a force sensitive to become a Jedi. He lifted C3PO but it wasn't easy for him, he looked like he had a hard time. He far from mastered those techniques, not even close to the power a normal Jedi would have had.
For a Jedi? If a Jedi would fail on that they would deserve to die. Every half assed Jedi could have done that.
You know this example only sucks for Luke, becuase how did he kill it again? By throwing a rock against a Switch, any half assed Jedi would have used the force to do it. Luke did not, mastered it? He far from did. He started to control it, but he did not master it. Yet.
Yeah which is the only good thing about Luke from ROTJ. He was noble and he had the right idea's, which is why I hate him turning to the Dark Side later on it makes no sence. But to stay on topic, Luke resisted the Dark Side a great thing to do. But resisting the Dark Side is your own choice. And Obi Wan may have drawn upon it for a few seconds but so did Luke. Obi Wan did not fall to the Dark Side, and the temptation for Anakin was far greater then for Luke. How much did the Emperor really try? He just said join the Dark Side it brings power oh and kill your daddy while your at it. Luke didn't want power he wanted to save his father.
The Emperor played the wrong card, he played the right one with Anakin there he played the love card he should have done that with Luke too and he should have taken more time. If he would have done that he would have had a better chance of turning the second Skywalker.
Oh come on, even I could see that and I sure as hell can't use the force. Some people can just read other people better. Luke could read Vader, but he could not really read his mind. Just feel emotions. Its like Janus said, there is a big difference between the two. And with how conflicted Vader was at that time, it would not be hard for anybody to read.
Janus- I've read Labyrinth of Evil yes, Cestus Deception, Jedi Trial, various illustrated books, some of which I found to be full of crap, bits and pieces of various NJO novels, and some of Shatterpoint. I've actually had my eye on this forum, so I've gotten a lot of my newer knowledge from some people here. I've also played the KOTOR's, the JK series, and some other games.
Fishy- Like I said, the thought "reading" was like an empathy. Plus it's his dad, I mean come on.
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I've read every Clone Wars novel, Cloak of Deception and The Approaching Storm myself. I won't touch NJO with a dead hamster on a meter long stick. That goes for post-ROTJ novels, too. I bought Splinter of the Mind's Eye and I can barely make it through the first chapter without thinking how crappy it is compare to other works. I mean, come on... it was made in 77!
The drunken Obi Wan part was funny but he himself admitted that he probably couldn't have done that when he was sober. At least he was quite surprised that he pulled it off.
Lol. I agree. I personally believe that Splinter of the Mind's Eye is the most crap-filled piece of literature in the Star Wars saga. If I did a timeline on Star Wars events, I would take that and the Dark Empire series and burn their names a thousand times over.
1. Luke had a year of self training, including Shadows of the Empire. If Yoda thought he needed more training he probably would've just became a spirit and continued it.
2. What's the difference between Luke's telekinesis and Obi-Wan's in Episode 1 or 2? And when he lifted C-3PO he simply closed his eyes, he wasn't strained like in ESB when he lifted the X-Wing a little bit. Look at Yoda in AOTC, it looks like he has trouble lifting that pillar, yet 26 years later or so he lifts an X-Wing with much more ease.
3. He single handedly fought dozens of organic creatures, they are much harder to predict and therefore much more deadly than droids. Watch the first 3 episodes, when they fight the weak droids they're almost never alone, and there's never a whole lot at one time.
4. I hadn't thought of it that way. In either case though he had to destroy it, not just press a button. Why concentrate on destroying it with the Force when you can chuck a rock at it much quicker?
5. No comment
6. So he just said "Your thoughts betray you" for no reason? He just thought there was good in the guy who killed Ben, who cut his hand off, for no reason? He obviously could feel the good in Vader, sense his presence, sense other's presences, etc. In any case, thoughts or feelings, Obi-Wan in AOTC is no better. He can't tell anything from Jango now can he? Or Zam Wessel?
7. I wasn't trying to say it did, just showing that Plagues wasn't lying.
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I still like you, Emperor. I just disagree with you on almost every level involving Luke Skywalker.
And yes, I would burn Dark Empire and Splinter a thousand times over. And then burn the whole NJO series. I absolutely hate the Vong. Organic technology and no force is just a stupid excuse to have a threatening enemy.
1.) Obviously he wouldn't have, Obi Wan didn't do it. He just told Luke to go to Yoda. Its probably harder to do then they thought was possible. And Yoda would surely have liked to train Luke more. He just knew he couldn't.
2.) Its not impressive and it does not show any mastery of the technique.
3.) What would you call the droids in AOTC, or in ROTS. Plenty of droids there. They just don't focus on much more then the Jedi because the droids are not important in the least, to weak just like the clones.
4.) Lifting a rock and throwing it is not quicker then quickly moving your hand or finger. And the chance of succes is lower. Luke couldn't do it, thats why he didn't do it. And if he could it sure as hell wasn't an instinct. Using the force would be like a second nature to Serra not to Luke, obviously.
5.) Okay.
6.) He did not read Vader his mind, he did not know what he was thinking he could just feel his conflict and drew conclusions from that. He never read anybody else his mind in ROTJ for as far as we know.
7.) I know he wasn't lying, he was still wrong though.
It could be why Luke didn't fly into the shaft...We can't really go by a facial expresstion...Because also in the script it never stated "The Emperor only introcuces a little power to the young Knight to the true power of the dark side."
He was just shocking him...Anyway off subject.
Two lightsabers in hand doesn't give Serra Keto an advantage. Kyle Katarn defeated a Dark Jedi named Boc, one of Jerec's henchmen and Kyle didn't have hardly any Jedi training at the time, he was just a self taught Jedi.
Info on Boc...
Boc is a male Twi'lek with pale skin, reddish eyes and dressed in ragged clothes. His fighting style is described as unorthodox and unpredictable. He is the first official denizen of the Star Wars universe that wields two lightsabers in combat.
Luke could fight against two lightsabers, even though he's never encountered them, but neither did Kyle before battling Boc.
Jul 11th, 2005 05:18 PM
but he himself admitted that he probably couldn't have done that when he was sober. At least he was quite surprised that he pulled it off.
I agree. I personally believe that Splinter of the Mind's Eye is the most crap-filled piece of literature in the Star Wars saga. If I did a timeline on Star Wars events, I would take that and the Dark Empire series and burn their names a thousand times over.
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