Is DD REALLY more agile than bats?Seems kind of hard to tell for sure
Anyways i say Batman hangs in there with Bat-girl and does pretty good at times Bat-girls got basically a better combat version of DDs powers and he isnt TOO far behind.He can make up the difference in a H2H fight
DD is pretty good but he doesnt strike me as better than Batman who is phenominal.Yes he isnt top 5 in DCs MAs list but thats a list DD would fall far short of too
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I hat to tell you this Cordy but they have weight divisions cause strength matters a lot. Most real fights end up grappling quickly and in grappling strength matters
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"Is DD REALLY more agile than bats?Seems kind of hard to tell for sure"
DD is more agile than Bats in the same way Nightwing is more agile also.
"Batman is the world's most accomplished and skilled martial artist. Sure Richard Dragon and Lady Shiva are true masters but they master only a few styles and know a smattering of styles. However Batman is the pinnacle of true masters. "
He is the most eclectical master artist of DC. But hes never beaten Dragon and Shiva. And was beaten once by Tiger and had a stalemate later. Batgirl showed to be better than him also.
These guys are better than Bats for the reason theyr whole life is only focused on martial arts aspects. Bats doesnt. He had to share his focus in crimefighting. Techs. Labs. Bussiness Empire. etc.
Those have been show in comics to be better than him in pure martial arts life.
Skill wise he may be better than Matt, but like someone mentioned, Bats isnt going to cycle through all his different styles of MA during the fight. 3 the most. DD mixes up his styles on a basis. People dont realized that eventhough Bruce is "master in 127 major matial arts styles" Matt is also a master in a couple as well. Mixed with being an expert boxer as well as wrestler and technician(sp?).
For some reason i dont believe Batman is a master in 127 major martial arts. That just seems obsurd to me. You have people who train from being 10, and only master about 8 forms up to the age of 60 or so. But thats just my opinion.
Like i said before, this is a fight for the books, but because of DD's sences, he feels the slightest movement. I give him the slight advantage in speed because he already knows the punches are coming. Hes also very good with pressure points as well. Not saying that Batman isnt. I just think that DD is highly underrated in his h2h fighting.
There are many people who are better than him in h2h, but his agility along with senses and mixed fighting style makes him a match for anyone.
From what i heard they kinda got into it before. But it didint finish. Ended up in a stalemate? Can someone give the details on what happened in the fight again? What crossover as well?
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You ask that like it's a foregone conclusion. Bruce Lee flat out admitted that he wouldn't be able to beat Muhammad Ali....Prime Tyson could very well take him down. Or perhaps vice versa.
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I never said strenth itself doesn't matter, its the application of such strenth.
The stronger the muscles in a body the faster they move. So strength plays a big role, but with people so similar in most stats like this, the speed, and agility would edge those out.
You cant hit me easily brute strength will fatigue, power is much superior don't you agree?
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depends if its in a clinch, grappling arts are more effective than striking arts. Ten years ago I would have agreed but Vale Tudo has taught us all so much
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There's open limb, closed, grab, and lock, they counter one another, and I assure you DD isn't going to let himself get grabbed, he's got too much leverage.