And the issue where you show Strange being beat by executioner and enchantress was either one of two things, it was around 88 when his powers were revoked, or he was totally blindsided while weakend.
I seriously doubt those two tackling Strange at full power knowing he was about to fight. And the shields "failing" is awful, those same shields have taken hits from an incarnation of Eternity, Death, Galactus, Hulk, Namor, Surfer and Gladiator without failing.
And he can make a shield that is three times as powerful as that with prep.
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Summoed demons will get banished, unless they are immune to all forms of magic as well. Which i doubt.
Zatanna cat cast spells without saying them? Look at the scan on the previous page. When Slade beat the JLA, why didnt Kyle just trap him in a construct? Beacuse he wanted to fight hand to hand. Why didnt Zatanna cast him away? Cause she was busy hurling her brains out. Why didnt she stop him right away? Cause that was crap writing. It happens.
She lasts longer that you may think. How is Strange going to get the Helmet off? It cant be removed. At least not by the likes of Strange.
Strange may have spanked Wanda before, but didnt Wanda also render him totaly helpless in the Order series? I believe so. Plus Strnge isnt mind controlling anyone in this fight, so that option is nulled.
Actually, the more I think about it, the better and better chance he has of winning. He just has too many things at his disposal to fight with.
If he invokes Eternity, it's over he wins 10/10. He's done it before, surely he can do it again, Eternity owes him a favor anyways.
Zatanna is a telepath on maaaybbeeee mid-level, Strange on the other hand is of the highest order when backed by the Eye, she dies as soon as he sees her. Or he simply banishes her into Deaths realm, or any realm.
Any transmorphication Fate or Zatanna can do, Strange can undo as he has with other matter manipulators.
Summoned demons will get banished? How? All of them? Doubtful.
How can Fate's helmet be taken off?
Simple, when he's wrapped up in unbreakable bands, Strange uses his TK to remove it, or has one of his millions of demons he can control do it. Remember, Fate is new to this whole Fate deal, he has far far less experience than Strange, a few thousand years less.
Nabu is Fate's backbone, that's all he has. Strange has taken on gods of that level on his own.
How will zatanna or fate know which Strange is the real Strange? His illusions fooled Loki and other high level mystics.
Wanda is a non factor, she can't control her powers and more than likely will hurt Strange and her own team, it's impossible to judge what she can do.
Exactly what happend in the Order series?
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PC Fate (who at first, I thought this thread was about)was at least equal to Strange, more likely his better in some aspects. The new one isn't, he's close, but just not there yet.
Giving Strange prep of this magnitude is nearly assuring the guy a win in almost any instance, especially when faced up against three lessers.
This is a quote from Wizard that I agree with totally.
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The Order #3:
The Avengers go on offense against The Order, they want to take out the most powerful one first, so they go after Strange, his teammates help him break free, Scarlet witch uses a surprise hex attack on Strange(he holds back the entire time), it worked for about two seconds until he decides not to hold back, then proceeds to spank their entire team.
Afterwards, he talks down to the Avengers like they were three year olds who had a tantrum.
Still not a very good written plot, the writers seem to forget about Strange's auto-defensive shields that are up 24/7.
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Obviously you dont have that comic, cause that wasnt howit went at all. They didint decide to go after Strange first. Only Quicksilver went after Strange. Quicksilver! While he was distracted, Wanda then freed the Eye of Agamotto from Strange's control which took him out of the fight immediately.
No one else attacked Strange. Strange was not holding back at all. None of the Order were. The ONLY way Strange got free was by Surfer blasting Wanda, thus releasing her grip on the eye. Strange was besically out of the fight the whole time.. It was way longer than 2 seconds.
Its been proven that while Strange is distracted, he very vunerable. Him summoning an army would take valuable secons, and just get banished anyways.
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Nice story. Too bad that wouldnt happen. Fate would be aware of Strange's presence. Hes not sneaking up on him by astral projection. Even if Fate didnt know where he was, he can go intangible and Fates blast wouldnt even touch him.
Another thing is the longer Strange is in astral form, he gets weaker. And theres no way hes removing the helmet. Ive seem Spectre do it, when in Pressence mode, but by noone else. Unless you can prove other wise.
The Eye deal was nifty, I thought it was pretty smart.
Quicksilver threw a snowball at Strange, it hit him, Strange has shields up 100% of the time, but writers sometimes forget that, or leave it out so the plot can move on.
With his shield up, none of that would have happend at all, do you seriously think he'd go into a fight with the Avengers without a shield up the whole time? No, of course not, but they wrote it that way because otherwise, it'd be a shitty comic.
He isn't going to summon an army during the fight, he does it with his prep, which he can extend to basically any ammount via time manipulation, he has slowed/sped up/stopped time many times before, the last time was in Spiderman #500, when he actually brought Peter back in time to meet with his uncle Ben.
Strange always holds back, he could kill anyone on the Avenger's team at anytime. C'mon now, he is a hero, not a murderer.
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With this prep, Strange can make himseld untouchable by summoning his triple shield, nothing Fate or Wanda or Zatanna can do, will get through the shield, nothing.
No one can touch Strange's mind, he can mind attack both Zatanna and Wanda to get them out of the way. Then it's Fate against Strange w/prep, Fate loses hard.
The blasts from the Eye won't effect Fates body, it'll effect his soul, now Fate may have something to protect him from it, but I haven't heard of it. Fate can't take a full blown Soul rape from Strange.
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Quicksilver didnt throw a snowball in Strange's face. With his feet, he shuffled a bunch of snow just about all over Strange's body. But you get the idea.
About Strange having shields up 100% of the time is not entirely correct. He DOES however always go into fights with the shield up. Ill give you that. But ive never seen him actually do any attacks while in the force feild. Therefore hes going to have to let it down when hes ready to attack. Unless you can show otherwise, but in the comics i have, he doesnt do it.
If he gets to have a sheild up, why cant the others? Fate can go intangible. Do you have any doubts that he wouldnt be able to get through? I dont.
Strange stopping time seems like a last resort LP. Even if it wasnt, do you think he could do that before Zatanna says "EZEERF!"? I highly doubt it. Along with Wanda hexing his powers, hes not beating them. Plain and simple. Maybe in a gauntlet, but not all together.
I believe that all heroes hold back LP. Ofcourse Strange isnt going to kill anyone. Neither would Zatanna or Fate. What true hero is a murderer?(Besides Hal) But we all heard about what Zatanna did to Bats and MM. She could do a spell that makes Strange forget everything hes ever learned. But she wouldnt do that.
I have no doubts that Strange has many spells at his disposal, but you have to remember that Fate also has a library with infinate amouts of spell to conjure as well. In addition to Nabu himself telling him "special ones".
Hector hasn't been a Fate more than...what, 5 years? Something like that, he can barely pull a rabbit out of a hat without his helmet.
Strange has been practicing his magic for thousands of years.
And no, Fate isn't getting through his shield while intangible, and yes Strange can blast through his shield, it's like a one way mirror.
Fate has Nabu, Strange has The Vishanti and about a million other Gods who are above Nabu.
Strange wins 10/10 if he goes into Avatar of Eternity mode, no question about it.
But, if he can't, it's still a draw IMO.
The current Scarlet Witch doesn't use magic, no one is sure what she uses, since Chaos magic doesn't exist in Marvel.
She has some sort of reality warping power that's not really able to be focused on one thing, she went insane and somehow altered the entire universe.
It really doesn't make sense at all actually.
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Eh no Fates helmet isnt coming offand just being taken away.Mordru had to plan for a LONG time break him down mentally set numerous traps run him on a wild goose chanse and then only took all his equipment because he was inside Fates amulet and Hector was forced to talk to him in the first place
Mordru with Fates vestments was prepared to tear apart the universe blacks out the sun by causally moving the moon simply TEARS into GL Alan Scott and rips the Starheart out of his chest and at one point beats down the Thunderbolt
Even without Fates equipment Mordru was still a Lord of Chaos i belive smashed a planet or two in his Legion days and in PoD could take a full on bum rush by the entire JSA the Seven soldiers of victory AND the Freedom fighters[aking hits from Powergirl Alan Scott Captain Marvel Hawkman/girl Stargirl a Canary cry multiple hits form the Flash etc] he then shrugs them Dr.Fate then takes them to finish the battle in a different dimension and beats Mordru down without too much effort sows him his eventual Fate then tosses him in the rock of Eternity
Basically by Dr.Fates own words he is a wielder of ALL magic in DC an easily an equal for a non-Eternity Dr.Strange[Not before Princes though beofre that Strange wins easy].With help even from these small fish it puts it in their favor
But meh who cares all i wanna see is Fate and Strange fight in some dimension where they can cause endless collateral damage
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