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ROTS Sidious & Yoda vs Darth Revan
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Great Vengeance
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I agree with all darth somebodys points on this, you guys are all bias towards palpatine and fail to recognize he was the greatest sith lord and perhaps the most powerful as well.

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Sids and Yoda, and it shouldn't be that hard.

I can't believe how many KOTOR fanboys are trying to convince others that Revan has a legitimate shot at this. We're talking arguably one of the greatest Sith and one of the greatest Jedi's ever TEAMING up against an individual that is believed by KOTOR fans to be the best. Sad.

Revan's formidable, but don't convince me that he's going to somehow waste both Yoda and Palpatine.

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ancient jeedai and sith fought against each other non stop. the movie jeedai and sith havent done so for their whole lives.. the ancient sith/jeedai will usually just outclass the movie ones


That's not necessarily true at all.

Ancient civilizations fought each other again and again and again. But guess what? There are modern day fighters that train their entire lives, that can reach peaks that those individuals couldn't. They've been able to jump higher, be stronger, move faster, than past individuals because of focused training and enhanced knowledge.

So why wouldn't the same be true in the SW universe?

You're doing an awful lot of ASS-U-Ming to try to show a point.

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Yoda probably wouldn't be too hard for Revan to split up either


And how do you propose Revan "splits" them up? Both of these individuals are very capable of extreme acrobatics, and we've rarely see either of them take a direct hit from anything other than force powers. Do you propose that Revan somehow manages to force push Yoda's tiny green body into outer space and then proceeds to beat down Sidious in a lightsaber duel or something of that sort? Ridiculous.

The end result is still pretty clear: Revan gets toasted.


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Revan gets toasted.


Yep

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"If you were to face an ancient sith lord in combat, you would realize that we are as children with toys, compared to the prowess of the old masters."
Ok, this was said about the ancient sith, by Kriea. The ancient sith were about 2000-4000 years before Revan's time, if not more. If lightsaber skill deteriorated in those thousands of years before Revan, then the Sith after Revan, got progressively crappier and crappier with thier Lightsaber skills. Now, if this is true, then Sidious' saber skill would be nothing to Revan, like the Exile was to the older sith lords. If Sidious was at least as good as Yoda in saber skill, as shown in their fight, then that would mean Yoda was nothing to Revan as well. Assuming what Kreia said was true, then an ancient sith lord could just swing once, and kill the exile. Revan, I think, is a better lightsaber duelist than the exile, if in 4000 years, saber skill deteriorated, then all Revan would need to do is take Yoda's and Sidious' force powers head on, close the gap between then and slash twice. If they were separated, then it would be easier for Revan.


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Originally posted by Darth Infidus
"If you were to face an ancient sith lord in combat, you would realize that we are as children with toys, compared to the prowess of the old masters."
Ok, this was said about the ancient sith, by Kriea. The ancient sith were about 2000-4000 years before Revan's time, if not more. If lightsaber skill deteriorated in those thousands of years before Revan, then the Sith after Revan, got progressively crappier and crappier with thier Lightsaber skills. Now, if this is true, then Sidious' saber skill would be nothing to Revan, like the Exile was to the older sith lords. If Sidious was at least as good as Yoda in saber skill, as shown in their fight, then that would mean Yoda was nothing to Revan as well. Assuming what Kreia said was true, then an ancient sith lord could just swing once, and kill the exile. Revan, I think, is a better lightsaber duelist than the exile, if in 4000 years, saber skill deteriorated, then all Revan would need to do is take Yoda's and Sidious' force powers head on, close the gap between then and slash twice. If they were separated, then it would be easier for Revan.


This quote simply shows that the ANCIENT SITH Lords were more powerful than Revan, if you consider Kriea a valid source. You're ASSUMING that lightsaber and force powers deteriorated from Revan's time to the SW Saga. There is little evidence for this or the contrary, so the point is moot.

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So what you're saying Infidus is that someone like Mace or Luke could never be as good in terms of lightsaber combat as ancient sith lords?


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Originally posted by Illustrious
This quote simply shows that the ANCIENT SITH Lords were more powerful than Revan, if you consider Kriea a valid source. You're ASSUMING that lightsaber and force powers deteriorated from Revan's time to the SW Saga. There is little evidence for this or the contrary, so the point is moot.


Not force powers, just lightsaber skill.


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"If you were to face an ancient sith lord in combat, you would realize that we are as children with toys, compared to the prowess of the old masters."
Ok, this was said about the ancient sith, by Kriea. The ancient sith were about 2000-4000 years before Revan's time, if not more. If lightsaber skill deteriorated in those thousands of years before Revan, then the Sith after Revan, got progressively crappier and crappier with thier Lightsaber skills. Now, if this is true, then Sidious' saber skill would be nothing to Revan, like the Exile was to the older sith lords. If Sidious was at least as good as Yoda in saber skill, as shown in their fight, then that would mean Yoda was nothing to Revan as well. Assuming what Kreia said was true, then an ancient sith lord could just swing once, and kill the exile. Revan, I think, is a better lightsaber duelist than the exile, if in 4000 years, saber skill deteriorated, then all Revan would need to do is take Yoda's and Sidious' force powers head on, close the gap between then and slash twice. If they were separated, then it would be easier for Revan.



It is also said that palpatine was the greatest sith lord who ever lived and yoda was the the wisest and most powerful jedi in the star wars universe.

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Besides, Illustrious, i was just giving my opinion, sorry it pissed you off.


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Sith and Jedi from the PT could easily be as good in lightsaber combat as the ones in the Ancient Sith. Look at Mace who mastered Vaapad or Dooku who mastered form II. Both are used mainly for dueling.


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It is also said that palpatine was the greatest sith lord who ever lived and yoda was the the wisest and most powerful jedi in the star wars universe.


Greatest doesnt neccesarily mean power, it could just mean that he accomplished great things.

And as for Yoda, if he was so wise and powerful, why was he caught off gaurd by Sidious' plot, and then defeated by him as well?


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Sith and Jedi from the PT could easily be as good in lightsaber combat as the ones in the Ancient Sith. Look at Mace who mastered Vaapad or Dooku who mastered form II. Both are used mainly for dueling.


True, but if what Kreia said holds any water, then it would make you wonder just HOW good the sith before Revan were.


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Wasn't Kotor II like 4,000 years before the PT? What she said then has nothing to do with Sith in the PT. What do you think they did? Trained to kill the Jedi. And Sidious accomplished something no other Sith has done. Took complete control of the galaxy, destroyed the Republic, and had the Jedi hide.


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Besides, Illustrious, i was just giving my opinion, sorry it pissed you off.


It didn't piss me off.

I'm just saying it's an awefully big assumption to simply state that lightsaber powers deteriorated from earlier days. The thing is, it is extremely difficult to compare eras, so such a comparison would be moot without hard evidence.

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Greatest doesnt neccesarily mean power, it could just mean that he accomplished great things.

And as for Yoda, if he was so wise and powerful, why was he caught off gaurd by Sidious' plot, and then defeated by him as well?


Greatness is usually tied to power in the star wars universe, and yoda was caught off gaurd by SIDIOUS who was impossibly clever and very very powerful.

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caught off guard.
Sidious: Now you will witness the full power of the sarkside. (Lifts fingers) It couldn't been more clear. 4 Jedi in ROTS were retards. The 3 that were killed by Sidious and Yoda but he evened it out for being a bad@$$ like with the royal guards.


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caught off guard.
Sidious: Now you will witness the full power of the sarkside. (Lifts fingers) It couldn't been more clear. 4 Jedi in ROTS were retards. The 3 that were killed by Sidious and Yoda but he evened it out for being a bad@$$ like with the royal guards.


I didnt mean he was caught off gaurd in their fight, I meant he was caught off gaurd when palpatine reveals himself to be sidious.

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Yoda really gets it after the fall of the Jedi. He calls him Darth Sidious so he basically figured it out.


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Sids and Yoda DUH!!!!! Why did you make it so lopsided?


Alright. I have seen numerous threads with lopsided tendancies. And I hated them. This thread isn't lopsided. You will find that the vast majority of the people here consider Revan to be the most powerful Sith Lord ever - and a Force god. It gets old. So I made this match to placate the masses...

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Luke wouldn't be able to take Sidious and Yoda alone.


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