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Doc Ock
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48.23%
Wolverine
73
51.77%
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141 votes
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X-Logan
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Who said to you that I do not know the scale?Everyone knows the scale.
But CM,you didnīt answer me yet.
quote: (post ) Originally posted by X-Logan
But you didnīt answer my question.Why Logan is not in the same scale as Cap(who is peak human)if you say(which is wrong)that Logan is peak human too?
Jul 22nd, 2005 05:09 AM
Creshosk
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Here is an convincing argument:
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Simple enough to you?
Actually. . .You can't rip wolverine's brain out. . .
It's completely encased in adamantium. . .
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Jul 22nd, 2005 05:11 AM
Logan 87
King Of The Cage
Gender: Male Location: United States
quote: (post ) Originally posted by Creshosk
Actually. . .You can't rip wolverine's brain out. . .
It's completely encased in adamantium. . .
You would believe stick figures
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Jul 22nd, 2005 05:12 AM
Tha C-Master
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Your assuming tha this isn't a straight up battle...
Why is ock stupid? He's led villans many a time, and trained with his weapons, wolverine has to come on HIS terms.
quote: (post ) Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
This may seem nitpicky, but who says that are actually "Smarter" than Wolverine, I know Wolverine can actully act as dumb as a brick, but thats not a real advantage... Those tentacles where originally designed for scientific applacations rather than combat (In the movie at least).
Nono, his weapons have a mind of their own, they are 4 seperate minds, thus superior than just claws, in terms of application and such.
quote: (post ) Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Oh and he doesn't need to slice all 4 of them up, he only needs to take one or two out to put Oc off balance, then Wolvie dashes in for the kill, remeber it's oc himself thats the real target, once he's dead the tentacles are no longer a threat, n matter how many of them are left.
You are thinking games, in comics or a hypothetical situation he needs not too.
How again is he taking those 2? Its like me trying to take out 2 guys with 4 pummeling me? Ock can go up walls, toss objects, wolverine usually jumps right in, and given that if he slashed,ocks weapons are 10x mans speed. One of those claws are grabbing logan, killing further leverage.
This is worse than goro, we are talking 4 appendages of tree busting power, and can grab with better range, they make goro look obsolete, in terms of hitting.
quote: (post ) Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Thats debatable... Wolverine has taken hits from guys like Juggernaugt and got up fairly fast.
Inconsistency, of course a guy like juggernaut he will get up to fast, (there's a handicap there), and normal guys like DD and electra keep him down, not to mention namor, a class 100 lifter, hit him 2x dead on without him flinching. Wolverine would've been in the horizon.
quote: (post ) Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
LOL, I think you'r better off picking at Wolvie with the claws themselves, Wolvie can dodge thrown objects easily enough.
True,but not those AND the claws, wolverine is slower than the tentacles, so he won't be dodging four. Peter has a precognition, and MUCH better speed, AND agility, AND reflexes, and those claws give him trouble.
quote: (post ) Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
In any fight, you only really need one angle of attack, and once Wolverine gets close, those claws will be utterly useless.
I bear no malice to you either Cordera, I just like avoiding flamewars by turing them back into ntelligent debates.
No they won't, wolverine isn't really getting close. Ock can go up walls, and all of these things wolverine lack, he can slice one at a time, but if ock is playing counter character, logan is crushed, more often than not.
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Jul 22nd, 2005 05:13 AM
X-Logan
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Here is an convincing argument:
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Simple enough to you?
Now,this is crap writting.
Jul 22nd, 2005 05:14 AM
Tha C-Master
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by X-Logan
Who said to you that I do not know the scale?Everyone knows the scale.
But CM,you didnīt answer me yet.
Not listening, the scale doesn't rank characters as peak and such(terms), it gives them a numerical value, logan is in the same rank as parker, and parker is superhuman strength, much greater. Logan isn't.
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Jul 22nd, 2005 05:15 AM
Logan 87
King Of The Cage
Gender: Male Location: United States
quote: (post ) Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
Why is ock stupid? He's led villans many a time, and trained with his weapons, wolverine has to come on HIS terms.
Nono, his weapons have a mind of their own, they are 4 seperate minds, thus superior than just claws, in terms of application and such.
You are thinking games, in comics or a hypothetical situation he needs not too.
How again is he taking those 2? Its like me trying to take out 2 guys with 4 pummeling me? Ock can go up walls, toss objects, wolverine usually jumps right in, and given that if he slashed,ocks weapons are 10x mans speed. One of those claws are grabbing logan, killing further leverage.
This is worse than goro, we are talking 4 appendages of tree busting power, and can grab with better range, they make goro look obsolete, in terms of hitting.
Inconsistency, of course a guy like juggernaut he will get up to fast, (there's a handicap there), and normal guys like DD and electra keep him down, not to mention namor, a class 100 lifter, hit him 2x dead on without him flinching. Wolverine would've been in the horizon.
True,but not those AND the claws, wolverine is slower than the tentacles, so he won't be dodging four. Peter has a precognition, and MUCH better speed, AND agility, AND reflexes, and those claws give him trouble.
No they won't, wolverine isn't really getting close. Ock can go up walls, and all of these things wolverine lack, he can slice one at a time, but if ock is playing counter character, logan is crushed, more often than not.
Some good point for Ock but the fact is not explaining ock isnt the problem, explaining how wolverine reacts is. You realy under estimate this man.
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Jul 22nd, 2005 05:16 AM
Tha C-Master
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by Creshosk
Actually. . .You can't rip wolverine's brain out. . .
It's completely encased in adamantium. . .
In the nose, and thats being nice, but he still has accuracy in grabs and such.
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Jul 22nd, 2005 05:16 AM
Creshosk
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by Logan 87
You would believe stick figures
The stick figures are merely a representation of the characters.
Wolverine isn't going to cut off doc's tenticles cause last I heard they too were adamantium.
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Jul 22nd, 2005 05:17 AM
Tha C-Master
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by Logan 87
Some good point for Ock but the fact is not explaining ock isnt the problem, explaining how wolverine reacts is. You realy under estimate this man.
Then counter my posts, and stop accusing. (does anyone know how to do this anymore)?
I've been debating here alot, if you complain, people won't take you seriously.
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Jul 22nd, 2005 05:17 AM
Creshosk
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
In the nose, and thats being nice, but he still has accuracy in grabs and such.
The hole would be too small.
The only thing I'm saying is wrong is attacking the brain. . . and pulling it out.
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Jul 22nd, 2005 05:18 AM
Logan 87
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
Then counter my posts, and stop accusing. (does anyone know how to do this anymore)?
I've been debating here alot, if you complain, people won't take you seriously.
Notice you still didnt answer X Logan. You just worked around it.
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Jul 22nd, 2005 05:18 AM
X-Logan
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
Not listening, the scale doesn't rank characters as peak and such(terms), it gives them a numerical value, logan is in the same rank as parker, and parker is superhuman strength, much greater. Logan isn't.
No,YOU are not listening.
you said that Cap is peak human.Fact.
you said that Logan is peak human too.Fact.
I prove to you that Logan is above Cap(peak human).fact.
So Logan is above peak human.
Itīs very easy to understand.
Jul 22nd, 2005 05:19 AM
X-Logan
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by Creshosk
The stick figures are merely a representation of the characters.
Wolverine isn't going to cut off doc's tenticles cause last I heard they too were adamantium.
They arenīt adamantium anymore.Logan can easily cut off them.
Jul 22nd, 2005 05:22 AM
Creshosk
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by X-Logan
They arenīt adamantium anymore.Logan can easily cut off them.
What are they made of?
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Jul 22nd, 2005 05:23 AM
Tha C-Master
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by X-Logan
No,YOU are not listening.
you said that Cap is peak human.Fact.
you said that Logan is peak human too.Fact.
I prove to you that Logan is above Cap(peak human).fact.
So Logan is above peak human.
Itīs very easy to understand.
You aren't competent.
You proved that he is on a higher numerical scale, thats it, nothing else, a vague numerical scale, which has logan fans happy, thinking that he is on the same level as parker in strength.
He's not superhuman and thats what peter is, are you listening, no wait I know what the problem is...
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Jul 22nd, 2005 05:25 AM
X-Logan
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by Creshosk
What are they made of?
titanium-steel.
Jul 22nd, 2005 05:26 AM
X-Logan
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
You aren't competent.
You proved that he is on a higher numerical scale, thats it, nothing else, a vague numerical scale, which has logan fans happy, thinking that he is on the same level as parker in strength.
He's not superhuman and thats what peter is, are you listening, no wait I know what the problem is...
Iīve never said that Logan is as strong as Parker.
I said that Logan is stronger than Caps(peak human).
Spidey (superhuman) > Wolvie (enhanced human) >Cap (peak human)
Jul 22nd, 2005 05:29 AM
Creshosk
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by X-Logan
titanium-steel.
Like a hot knife through butter. . . hmm . . .I'm going to have to rethink this. . .
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Jul 22nd, 2005 05:30 AM
Darkstorm Zero
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
Why is ock stupid? He's led villans many a time, and trained with his weapons, wolverine has to come on HIS terms.
Just like you said earlier? Well the if his weapons think for him, then it's basically trying to outwhit 4 machines thatwhere designed for science instead of of war
quote: (post ) Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
Nono, his weapons have a mind of their own, they are 4 seperate minds, thus superior than just claws, in terms of application and such.
Read above, it's not that hard to fool machines.
quote: (post ) Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
You are thinking games, in comics or a hypothetical situation he needs not too.
Huh? What I said was, if Wolverine cut out 2 of those tendrils, Ocs balance would be off for a little while (Depending n which tendrils he takes out)
quote: (post ) Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
How again is he taking those 2? Its like me trying to take out 2 guys with 4 pummeling me? Ock can go up walls, toss objects, wolverine usually jumps right in, and given that if he slashed,ocks weapons are 10x mans speed. One of those claws are grabbing logan, killing further leverage.
My method for taking out claws that move that fast would simply be to slash at them when they come at me. and if Oc's fighting from a distance, then that still leaves enough time to made a good strike against two of the legs (They may move at 90 KPH, but if I'm more than six meters away and I had Wolverines trained and refined reflexes and claws, I recom I could do a double slash before those claws got to me).
quote: (post ) Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
This is worse than goro, we are talking 4 appendages of tree busting power, and can grab with better range, they make goro look obsolete, in terms of hitting.
I know, That doesn't mean that he's nigh invulnerable because of them, Otherwise Oc would be kickig total arse even over the likes of Dr. Doom and Hulk...
quote: (post ) Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
Inconsistency, of course a guy like juggernaut he will get up to fast, (there's a handicap there), and normal guys like DD and electra keep him down, not to mention namor, a class 100 lifter, hit him 2x dead on without him flinching. Wolverine would've been in the horizon.
Agreed, and since we have not been stipulated on which versions of the characters we can use, I am going to say that this debate has been utterly pointless since we don't know which vesins of the haracters we should be pitting against who...
quote: (post ) Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
True, but not those AND the claws, wolverine is slower than the tentacles, so he won't be dodging four. Peter has a precognition, and MUCH better speed, AND agility, AND reflexes, and those claws give him trouble.[b]
And viceversa, remember Wilverine can simply impale the incoming claws right in the optics, and a claw coming in at 90KPH isn't going to be able to stop itself running into 3 adimatium blades at the last split second...
quote: (post ) Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
[B]No they won't, wolverine isn't really getting close. Ock can go up walls, and all of these things wolverine lack, he can slice one at a time, but if ock is playing counter character, logan is crushed, more often than not.
Why would he retreat when he has uch advantages? (Stupid question)
Anyways to irror what I said above... Since we have not been stipulated on which versions of the characters we can use, I am going to say that this debate has been utterly pointless since we don't know which vesins of the haracters we should be pitting against who...
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