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King Kandy
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I think a better example of "strong idiot main villain" would be someone like Voldemort.


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Let me change my opinion about Wonderweiss' ability. It isn't convinient its just lame. Before you bash me think about it. Aizen has everything planned out...Everything! Along with that he's hypnotized everyone in the Gotei 13 that had so much as a shread of hope of beating him. So its not so much as his ability is lame(it pretty awesome actually) but its the fact that Aizen has yet another ridiculously flawless tactical advantage over his enemy.

I get it! He's godly. Seriously though, he could have just one-shot everyone other than Ichigo, Retsu, and Yamamoto(they wouldn't be present at this time and Yama-ji still is the commander) after it was confirmed that the espada were through. Then he could have had Gin, Tousen and Wonderweiss return the real Karaku town to resume with his plan. You have to admit, Ichigo showing up to a desolate real Karaku is more dramatic then coming to a semi-ruined fake one.

The good news is that Yamamoto may use his bankai next chapter since shikai isn't cutting it.

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you do make a good point and am hoping as well that Yamamoto uses bankai next chapter, but if Aizen wasn't so godly then chances are he wouldn't have lasted this long and Bleach would've most likely ended.

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So has anyone heard about Nick Simmons plagerising the shit out of Bleach? That's some pretty funny stuff.

http://forums.mangafox.com/showthread.php?t=147704

Edit: Whats more funny is how unfazed Tite is about the whole thing. Apparantly he just like 'Gene Simmons' kid draws manga? Thats pretty cool'.


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You quoted my 'Machiavellian' statement.



AHA! I didn't even look at which one of my posts you had quoted as your response seemed to be more in line with what Quincy had said instead of my previous reply. Yes, I am that arrogant to think that I don't need to look at what or whom was quoted: I'm right more than 99% of the time.

I was agreeing with you. A true machavellion is not a strong idiot type like Yami. They would most likely be the opposite: a manipulative b@st@rd with excellent cunning. In Aizen's instance, he is very very strong, and very much Machiavellion.


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I think a better example of "strong idiot main villain" would be someone like Voldemort.


Voldemort isn't a 'strong idiot' no expression. He's more of a psychotic genius.

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AHA! I didn't even look at which one of my posts you had quoted as your response seemed to be more in line with what Quincy had said instead of my previous reply. Yes, I am that arrogant to think that I don't need to look at what or whom was quoted: I'm right more than 99% of the time.

I was agreeing with you. A true machavellion is not a strong idiot type like Yami. They would most likely be the opposite: a manipulative b@st@rd with excellent cunning. In Aizen's instance, he is very very strong, and very much Machiavellion.


I accept your concession then stick out tongue.


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Voldemort isn't a 'strong idiot' no expression. He's more of a psychotic genius.


Yeah, I'm not sure what KK is talking about, there. His intellect was on par with Dumbledore and Dumbledore was obvously a genius paralleling other Wizards from all ages.



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I accept your concession then stick out tongue.



H-how...


How dare you!


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lol. The whole deadly Hallows, Voldemort doesn't know wtf he's doing, gets a wand broken, gets another one but somehow can never figure out if he actually owns it (shouldn't he have noticed no power increase after he killed Snape?), and hides his Horcruxes in such stupidly obvious or easily penetrable places (only the locket was decent). He doesn't seem so genius to me.

How is it that Kyoka Suigetsu's powers surprised everyone, anyway? To become a captain you need Bankai (cept Kenpachi), so logically the senior captains would have seen not just his shikai but his bankai as well when he tested to be a captain.


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lol. The whole deadly Hallows, Voldemort doesn't know wtf he's doing, gets a wand broken, gets another one but somehow can never figure out if he actually owns it (shouldn't he have noticed no power increase after he killed Snape?), and hides his Horcruxes in such stupidly obvious or easily penetrable places (only the locket was decent). He doesn't seem so genius to me.




Hmm. Just the ooposite, actually. He hid the horcruxes in places that no one would have guesse except for...you guessed it, Dumbledore. In fact, it would appear that he wanted dumbledore to find some of them so that Dumbles would take himself out trying to destroy them. That plan worked out perfectly. In fact, it's almost as if Voldemort wanted to tease, torture, and occupy Dumbledore with these horcruxes, which largely seemed to be the case towards the end there.

On top of this, they were far from "hidden out in the open." I don't think even Dumbles would have figured out that the book was a horcrux. More like a former student's attempt at some fun in a book, similar to the marauder's map.


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How is it that Kyoka Suigetsu's powers surprised everyone, anyway? To become a captain you need Bankai (cept Kenpachi), so logically the senior captains would have seen not just his shikai but his bankai as well when he tested to be a captain.


Dude....



This is the same zanpakutou that can show anyone whatever Aizen wants it to and you think there's a problem with the "captain's" exam revealing too much about a sword: a sword that people knew nothing, of it's true nature, about, until Aizen semi-revealed it.

What's more likely? Aizen revealed his sword's nature to everyone in his exam, or he used it to cast his permanent hypnotizing power on all the captains during the exam, but concealed the true nature of his sword so he could get the hoguoku in the rescue arc?

I'm leaning towards the latter, due to the cold and almost all-seeing eye of the seemingly invincible Sosuke Aizen.


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Yeah, I'm not sure what KK is talking about, there. His intellect was on par with Dumbledore and Dumbledore was obvously a genius paralleling other Wizards from all ages.


I wouldn't say he was as brilliant as Dumbledore per se, but I do think that he was the closest to Dumbledore in terms of intellect, and pretty much everything else. Perhaps he even eclipsed Dumbledore when it came to dueling and mastery of magic.

Though yeah, he isn't an idiot. He's a genius that made a lot of oversights, and one who was extremely arrogant.


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lol. The whole deadly Hallows, Voldemort doesn't know wtf he's doing, gets a wand broken, gets another one but somehow can never figure out if he actually owns it (shouldn't he have noticed no power increase after he killed Snape?), and hides his Horcruxes in such stupidly obvious or easily penetrable places (only the locket was decent). He doesn't seem so genius to me.

How is it that Kyoka Suigetsu's powers surprised everyone, anyway? To become a captain you need Bankai (cept Kenpachi), so logically the senior captains would have seen not just his shikai but his bankai as well when he tested to be a captain.


Your style of grammar and construction for that Voldemort explanation is quite different from the one you normally have. What's up?
It's not a jibe >__>.

In addition to what DD said:

If the places he hid most of his Horcruxes in were so stupidly obvious, you'd think Harry's job to find them would have been done by the time he got around to it. Instead, only Regulus was able to find a hidden Horcrux before Dumbledore; Regulus himself was most likely considerably smart, and he had to give up his life in the process.

Don't tell me you think Gringotts is easily penetrable? "Simpleminded" as he may be, Hagrid was right when he said Gringotts is the safest place, apart from Hogwarts. That cup was the first thing to be stolen from Gringotts.
Heck, were it not for Bellatrix's slip-up, the Horcrux in Gringotts would never have been found.

The one in the Room of Hidden Things was destroyed due to him arrogantly believing that he was the only one to find the Room, that I won't argue.

No need to discuss Nagini, even Goyle and Crabbe could figure out she was a Horcrux. However, she was nearly always with him.
His Diary was also most likely always in his possession. It's thanks to Lucius that it was destroyed.
He cursed the ring with a curse that neither Snape nor Dumbledore could counteract. Two of the most brilliant and accomplished wizards in HP-verse couldn't beat that curse. He left in the Gaunt shack as well, so anyone who would even bother to investigate the shack, and find the ring, would die.

Even if he left them in supposedly fairly obvious places, he put up layers of protection around most of them.


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I guess i'm not putting as much effort into writing here. IDK.

That's another thing about Nagini -- what's the point of having a horcrux near you? Surely if they're able to kill you, they'll be destroying Nagini as well, so it kind of defeats the point.

Not all the horcruxes were bad. Nagini and the Diadem were the biggest offenders here, as well as the ring (If dumbledore hadn't put it on foolishly, he could have disposed of it with no problem.) The Diadem was quite literally hidden in a place where anyone with half a brain could find it. Nagini was just stupid.

Not being able to figure out that after killing Snape he still wasn't the elder wand's master, should have been a no-brainer and him not realizing it gives me a bit of a low opinion on him.

I wasn't even all that impressed with his power either, to be honest. Dumbledore pretty much beat him solidly one-on-one in the department of mysteries, and he seemed rather ineffective in the battle of hogwarts.


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I guess i'm not putting as much effort into writing here. IDK.

That's another thing about Nagini -- what's the point of having a horcrux near you? Surely if they're able to kill you, they'll be destroying Nagini as well, so it kind of defeats the point.

Not all the horcruxes were bad. Nagini and the Diadem were the biggest offenders here, as well as the ring (If dumbledore hadn't put it on foolishly, he could have disposed of it with no problem.) The Diadem was quite literally hidden in a place where anyone with half a brain could find it. Nagini was just stupid.

Not being able to figure out that after killing Snape he still wasn't the elder wand's master, should have been a no-brainer and him not realizing it gives me a bit of a low opinion on him.

I wasn't even all that impressed with his power either, to be honest. Dumbledore pretty much beat him solidly one-on-one in the department of mysteries, and he seemed rather ineffective in the battle of hogwarts.
Well there wouldn't be anyone really capable of killing Voldemort anyways would there...a horcrux thats always next to him is a about as safe as one could get...


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Well if nobodies capable of killing him, then there's no real point in having Nagini at all. Especially since that particular horcrux, comes with a time limit (what, is nagini going to live forever)?


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Well if nobodies capable of killing him, then there's no real point in having Nagini at all. Especially since that particular horcrux, comes with a time limit (what, is nagini going to live forever)?
Well it does serve somewhat of a purpose it gives him more insurance...and I doubt Nagini was a regular mortal snake. I mean we've seen basilisks that live hundreds of years...unaging....so.... but

Back to the latest chapter anyways, Yama is freaking epic!!! Biggest badass ever on bleach...makes Kenpachi seem like a pussy..


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See I told you guys Yamamoto vs. Aizen would be epic. He's not the captain commander for nothing.

Also in retrospect, we can lol at the databook for saying he's only a 60 in physical strength.


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OMG Yama is ****ing awesome....


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Well it does serve somewhat of a purpose it gives him more insurance...and I doubt Nagini was a regular mortal snake. I mean we've seen basilisks that live hundreds of years...unaging....so.... but

Back to the latest chapter anyways, Yama is freaking epic!!! Biggest badass ever on bleach...makes Kenpachi seem like a pussy..


I agree. He could give Barraggan a run for his money when it comes to manliness.
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See I told you guys Yamamoto vs. Aizen would be epic. He's not the captain commander for nothing.

Also in retrospect, we can lol at the databook for saying he's only a 60 in physical strength.
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OMG Yama is ****ing awesome....


This isn't even his true freaking strength, and he's still awesome.


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I wonder if he'll be able to use Ryuujin Jakka once he kills wonderweiss?


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I agree. He could give Barraggan a run for his money when it comes to manliness.

This isn't even his true freaking strength, and he's still awesome.
Barragan's just an arrogant fool...Yama's badass...I've heard people say that that Kenpachi could probably beat Yama in a fight without shikai or bankai. I doubt they'd think that anymore.


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You mean, if Yama didn't use Shikai? It might be close.

Just for consideration, it was more or less implied that Wonderweiss was weaker than most Arrancar because of his specialized release.


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