An update after getting some new material. Lots of credits to other respect threads around. Namely, Saotame, Darkcrawler, King Mungi, thorion and others.
Lets start with some earth shaking punches/kicks and thunderclaps>
In this one ("Champions" series) hes taken down by surprise by a misterious figure who kidnaps the BW. Ever wondered if Herc could make the surface shake with a punch? Its right there.
Only Hulk does Thunderclaps? Not at all. Hercules has done it before. And to cancel a Hurricane type attack created by the Beyonder no less, that was keeping some members of the Avengers busy namely Namor, Captain Marvel and Black knight:
Against Uber Korvac. Every Avenger that got hit by a single of Korvac`s blasts wer killed. All save Thor and Hercules. Thor gets winded down after the only blast he took.
Hercules is STILL standing up after the first blast and carries on the fight until he gets hit again:
Another brief encounter against Stelaris the Celestial Slayer, a being that stalemated the Avengers, Thor included iirc. Here humbled by Hercules while protecting Mcsterson`s son:
(These Namor/Herc scans are courtesy of Darkcrawler).
Figths out of continuity>
This one belongs to Hercules second mini that works as a sequel of the first but its set on a distant far future. Humanity needs no gods and Zeus decides to leave this plane. Appearantly mad he slays each of the Olympian Gods with Hercules standing against him in the end.:
This could well fit also in a Zeus thread. Both are given theyr due. Zeus wasent actually mad. The time had come for the Gods to leave the plane and he tested his son to see how able he was to take his place on "our" plane.
Zeus using only force, took one of Herc`s eye`s and render one of his arms useless. No statement about enchantments. Hercules goes totally berserk and manages to get him down.
But was told it was all a test. One Herc proved to be on par.
Zeus is above the top tier even physically (altho right now in Ares mini he seems weaker) and in both cases he doesnt seem to figh back. Even so going down and Hercules surviving the whole fight, makes it a great showing!
Again brief tussles >
This time against Arkon. No. Not all the Avengers are afraid to go against you. This guy is also uber. Beat Captain America senselles (hey, hes skyfather level in disguise and does great as seen here against the Avengers team. Hes also really fast as he owned Quickseilver before.
A Marvel team up issue. -Possibly- one of the lowest showing of zeus ever (he should had been able to free himself alone. . .). The Titans sneak attack Olympus and Hercules teams up with the Thing to save him.
Please. I've seen Diana take shots to the face from a pissed-off Superman's heat vision and shrug it off. Now Wasp's stings (that didn't even do any real damage to Black Canary in that same issue) make her immobile?
Hercules did all the work there in keeping her pinned until he let her go when he saw Supes knock out Thor. Wasp and Yellow Jacket were at the most making her itch.
Last edited by Accel on Mar 21st, 2006 at 03:06 PM
How do you know it wasn't the other way around? Maybe WW was fighitng Wasp and Giant Man then Herc. snuck up behind her. Hercules is a cheap shot artist. Look what he did to Arkon.
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whoa, easy on my man herc! he demolished arkon, no cheap shot needed.
is he stronger than ww -- very close. same tier. it's complicated though. herc supoosed = cap marvel who apparently is an equal to ww, but ww<supes and cm supposedly = supes. it doesn't work.
personally, i say supes above the others, marginally. herc and cm and ww and thor all equal.
meh, it will never be proven one way or the other. that's my opinion on how they fall out.
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i never claimed he DID beat her . . .
as far as arkon -- as that fight went along (and it lasted a little bit) it was abundantly clear herc could have destroyed him pretty easily. there aren't many i'd say are stronger than herc. pretty much supes and that's it. he's likely even slightly stronger than thor . . .
"How do you know it wasn't the other way around? Maybe WW was fighitng Wasp and Giant Man then Herc. snuck up behind her. Hercules is a cheap shot artist. Look what he did to Arkon."
Right. Like appearantly WW who asks him a question and while the man is answering she sheap shots him and thus starting the figth. Good point there Snoop. You arr always with valid points.
I told you before and i tell you again. Maybe`s dont cut it. Because if they do, even we never saw it, MAYBE Herc got out of the chocke hold earlier and gave her a snap. Does that counts too? The example is the same.
Hipocrasy never stops to surprise me.
And he overpowered her. Period. The fight shows her -already restrained- and not able to break the hold. And here you are using the Pyms like they wer the ones holding her. The feat its strenght against her strenght and he got the better in that one. Simple and tasty as pie.
As for Arkon, yes Herc -started- with a cheap shot and won. So what? WW also starts with cheap shots.
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"Herc. did not beat WW. There is no evidence of it unless you count that pic of her getting beat 3 on 1"
Are you going to show me again her mantra as proof? Or wait how about a secret files scan? Those are fun too.
I have the evidence. She couldnt break free off him. Thats enough.
Last edited by olympian on Mar 22nd, 2006 at 12:25 AM
"But he still hit him with a cheap shot even if he did win the fight. That's the point I was making."
Right. And it was the same with WW. So what? Are you bothered by both examples of just one. (guess wich one would that be).
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"Dude.................nevermind your not worth it. I can hardly understand a dam thing your trying to say"
Maybe because you dont want to. It would be tough to concead WW`s case, when your calling foul on Herc doing the same thing.
As for the "maybes" here is what you didnt "understand".
If you invent parts of the story that werent there, i dont see why i shouldnt have the luxury of doing the same. It exercices the imagination after all.
Hope that one was clear for good, it honestly cant get any easier to get.
Carry on.
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"i never claimed he DID beat her . . ."
About this, the only thing i claim is what it was shown. He got restrained in the first fight. If you want to call it a a win, fine. She was the one being restrained in the second round. The result is the same. Credit to both.
Unless pll cant accept it that is.
Last edited by olympian on Mar 22nd, 2006 at 12:38 AM
Let's put it this way. In your example of Herc. overpowering Wonderwoman we have Herc standing behind her in a full nelson with Giantman and Wasp blasting her with energy. That's nice and all but on the first example you see Herc. in a choke hold. Just those two involved. Then you say WW cheap shotted him. Well I have to go back and check.
Your example is like me arm-wresling somebody but the ref is poking me in the arm with pins during the match expecting me to win.
How can you say the Herc overpowered her?
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"Let's put it this way. In your example of Herc. overpowering Wonderwoman we have Herc standing behind her in a full nelson with Giantman and Wasp blasting her with energy. That's nice and all but on the first example you see Herc. in a choke hold. Just those two involved. Then you say WW cheap shotted him. Well I have to go back and check."
Now thats a good idea.
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"Your example is like me arm-wresling somebody but the ref is poking me in the arm with pins during the match expecting me to win."
Its not the same Snoop. That would be poking -while- you wer armwrestling. In this case she -was- already in the full nelson when we see her being blast.
*was*
We didnt saw her struggling to stop from being restrained while they wer poking her.
We saw her already restrained. Hercules is the one doing all the force work. So cleary yes, he overpowered her. Futhermore you arent WW. Neither top tier. And guess what. Neither are the Pyms. The fact she couldnt get free its still there.
Is there an echo in here?
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"YOU PUT WW IN THAT LIST!!!!!!!!!!
(He didn't overpower her)"
Would you put Herc on a WW list?
Then obviously i put her on his list.
I mean, Snoop, you do know what overpowering means? Try telling us.
Last edited by olympian on Mar 22nd, 2006 at 12:57 AM
The thing is... WW HAS TAKEN SUPERMAN'S HEAT VISION TO THE FACE AND KEPT ON GOING. There's no way Wasp and Yellowjacket could have been hurting enough that she couldn't break free (Wasp's stings didn't even do that much damage to Black Canary in the very same issue). It'd be like seeing Captain America using a pillow as a weapon to win a fight against Wolverine and saying he had an unfair advantage.
And in their first encounter, WW did immediately fly towards Hercules to sucker-punch him.
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hmm, i like watching someone ELSE fight oly! heh.
but . . . i do sort of agree with snoop. hard to call it overpowering when we didn't actually see it happen. i say the whole thing between both was very much inconclusive. be like saying herc 'overpowered' thor in blood oath. he didn't, not really. he was simply more skilled and had the upperhand. if it came to a wrestling-type fight with ww, herc would likely get the upperhand on ww, too. perhaps THAT'S what happened.
i'm gonna check that list though to see who you have on it that herc beat. i may be able to add a few . . .
Overpowering doesnt mean: he beat her senselles, or owned her.
Its a technical win. Its what happens for example in a wrestling match if a fight that we see ends with a submission or restraining move. Sometimes with an edge, other times not.
Thats what overpowering means.
Thor has overpowered Herc in the past as well. It just didnt happened in the last one. And vice versa.
And feel free to add people.
Last edited by olympian on Mar 22nd, 2006 at 01:33 AM
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and does great as seen here against the Avengers team. Hes also really fast as he owned Quickseilver before. 
Good point there Snoop. You arr always with valid points. 
