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Who SHOULD be able to pick up Mjolnir
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K3VIL
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Superman was able to use Mjolnir cause as sayed from Thor at the end of the battle, Odin imbued it with a special enchantment, even if you're not worth of it, you can lift it under certain circumstances, in that case, Supes was the only one Thor could count on to pass through Krona's final line of defense.
At the end of the fight, Supes wasn't able to lift the hammer again.
His way of thinking doesn't make him a worth pretendant.

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Not the validity, just the whole Superman holding the Mjolnir picture thing.


like so....

Attachment: lifting mjolnir.jpg
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Superman was able to use Mjolnir cause as sayed from Thor at the end of the battle, Odin imbued it with a special enchantment, even if you're not worth of it, you can lift it under certain circumstances, in that case, Supes was the only one Thor could count on to pass through Krona's final line of defense.
At the end of the fight, Supes wasn't able to lift the hammer again.
His way of thinking doesn't make him a worth pretendant.


His way of thinking?


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Again, not the validity, but for the picture.

Without the crossover we would only get a picture like that would be fanart.


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If you count already existent comics, then neither Namor and Superman can grab and use the hammer. Namor already tried to pick it up way back in Avengers # 4 i think. And Superman as we saw in Jla/Avengers, isent consider worthy to pick it up.

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Once again, Superman IS worthy enough to lift the hammer. Besides the Marvels and WW, Supes is one of the purest souls in the DCU.

Avengers/JLA doesn't count, because Marvel had DC agree that if Supes beat Thor, then he couldn't lift his hammer. Avengers/JLA was all about checks and balances.

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"Once again, Superman IS worthy enough to lift the hammer. Besides the Marvels and WW, Supes is one of the purest souls in the DCU"

The only source we have of him trying says he isent.

"Avengers/JLA doesn't count, because Marvel had DC agree that if Supes beat Thor, then he couldn't lift his hammer. Avengers/JLA was all about checks and balances."

Have any proof where you base this claims? Of course if the only official Crossover between the companies to date doesnt count, then Thor was never defeated by Superman. Neither Wonder Woman had any advantage watsoever against Hercules in the first figth.

Suits fine for me.

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Once again, Superman IS worthy enough to lift the hammer. Besides the Marvels and WW, Supes is one of the purest souls in the DCU.


I don't think having a "pure" soul has anything to do with it or else Thor as a kid, or any other kid for that matter, would be able to use the hammer.

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Well instead of pure, put noble,or honorable.

If anyone needs proof of how A/JLA was full of checks and balances then they haven't read the comic. The sole reason that the first crossover was scrapped was because of Marvel and DC bickering over who would lose to who. Neither company wanted their heroes to get beaten...which was understandable.

So Busiek wrote the only story he could: one where for every loss, there was also a victory (even if they were small).

Examples:

Thor lost to Superman (due to PIS), but Superman couldn't lift his hammer. Thor later also hinted that he would beat Supes in a rematch.

Photon got worked by GL, but later she learned from the last fight, and took him down.

Flash was too fast for Pietro in the DCU, but when he went to Marvel Earth he lost his speed advantage.

She Hulk was curbstomping Aquaman, but he used his wits to outsmart her.

Batman admitted that Cap might be able to beat him...might. So that way the companies top street level heroes didn't lose any face.

There are more from where that came from, but I need to read thru the series again to get the specifics.

Still, A/JLA is canon--at least in the DCU. I think Supes wasn't able to lift Mjolnir because of what the Grandmaster did to he and Cap.

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Another one was that WW was stomping Herc the first time they fought, but the second time, even though they only showed one panel of the second time they fought, it seemed like Herc was winning.

The Scarlet Witch and Zatanna stayed even throughout both of their battles, neither one of them ever got the advantage over the other one.

Wonder Man was winning against GL, but Superman evened it out by beating Warbird all on the same page.

Blue Beetle knocked out Black Panther in their first fight, but then BP knocked out BB in the second one.


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I'm pretty sure Odin lifted the "worthy" enchantment, as Thor said, so that Superman would be able to use it.

Normally, I'm certain Superman wouldn't be able to lift the hammer, although he is one honourable dude, he doesn't have the warrior spirit or "joy of battle" thing that Wonderwoman, Hercules and Gladiator have.

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Thats an actual criteria? Loving battle?


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"If anyone needs proof of how A/JLA was full of checks and balances then they haven't read the comic. The sole reason that the first crossover was scrapped was because of Marvel and DC bickering over who would lose to who. Neither company wanted their heroes to get beaten...which was understandable"

Of course neither company wants to lose face. That doesnt make it less official. As far as crossovers go, this is the one to count. Now like i said if you dont count it, its fine by me the same way. I take it in consideration. If some fights wer good or not, it was the writters and editors interpretation.

In the end like armando said, pretty much all fights ended in a stalemate.

Bat and Cap. One round was enougth.

Superman got his arse handled the first time they met (issue#1). Without a sucker shot btw, unlike what some say, to make it feel cheep. And he won in the Savage Land.

Wonder Woman managed to overpower Hercules in asgard but got overpowered in the savage land.

Flash totally beat Quicksilver the first time they met, but in the savage land without speed force for Flash to use, Silver beated him.

The main fights wer all like this. Stalemates.

And Superman didnt lifted the hammer because he and Cap wer weird. That happened before the final figth. He didnt, because he doesnt have what it takes to overcome the specific enchantment placed by Odin. At least by this source.

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