established? no..it is contingent upon various factors...it does however opperate at higher and faster levels than you give it credit for.
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factors having to do with the amount of energy he possesses at the time....
a point that you constantly ignore....
a lower factor than I give it credit for? he healed from his flesh being completelt irradicated from his bones, from a nuke, from being nearly burned alive in 4 panals, from the freakin SUN, the fact is these are SOME of his high end feats, and I don't even agree with them...but wolverine is shown to consistantly take TONS of damage without his healing factor being taxed out like you think it would be.
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Wolverine, like any fictional character that is seen on more than one type of media, or written about by more than one writer, is going to fall prey to the exact cause of this debate.
Now, obviously those in support of a character are going to use their high end showings as feats in a debate like this (Example, Cordera's use of Ryu At Max. vs Grevious argument that Ryu's Current max showing officially is in SF3 3rd strike... therefore lowering Ryu's standards considerably)
No matter what side of an argument your on, your character and your opponents will fall prey to this problem, it is unavoidable, and is bound to start arguments like this, so I reccomend on finding mutual grounds on any characters given abilities, find what is suitable and not for any given debate, and work from there.
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That's what I was talking aobut earlier. We try to explain it and the explination is discarded.
Like when he first met Jubilee, he had been crucified after a fight with the Reavers, and left for dead for a few days. So for sometime after that his healing factor was weakened.
Or the fight with Shingen, shingen had saturated his blood with poison.
Or with Magneto ripping the adamantium off of his bones was a massive damage . . .
there's a big difference there though.....cordera thinks of ryu at his maximum POTENTIAL when he's discussing the character...ryu has never been seen at his maximum potential..all we know is that he's on his way and will get there eventually.
wolverine however HAS ACTUALLY DONE the things we've said he can do, we have proof, not just speculation (which is something else entirely)
not the best analogy my friend.
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oh that's right you haven't read the books, you wouldn't know.
__________________ "damn jinzin, you're a real trooper, you provde fact after fact and pages and pages of proof and these wanton miscreants just keep at it"~MERC
Which is why I disagreed with Cordera during that debate...
However, as you've pointed out... All of Wolverine's Good and bad feats are written in stone, sort of speak.
So now, who has theright to choose which feats are good to use and which ones are PIS/CIS/Bad writing?
This second aspect of the debate adds a similar dimension as I mentioned earlier, in that no matter what side of the debate your on, your opponents will use bad feats to degrade your character, while using good ones to boost theirs.
Wolverine's healing factor was almost never operating at the best of its ability (Claremount was building up to something that never got accomplished) up until the removal of his adamantium at which point it was none existent, then good a large boost and then finally was set back to the best of what it should have been before he lost the adamantium if it was operating as it should.
There are many outside factors that have come in to play with Wolverine's healing factor over the years that make it's inconstancy more glaring then it really is.
EDIT: Did I write this... it confuses even me!
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No I didn't I said at his "best showings" he would win, everyone understood this, I don't know what you are talking about. I then said lower showings lose...
Selective reading, sign of a you-know-what.
Weren't you the same person, saying wolverine was a fighting legend of the future?
I only mentioned his potential in his storyline, but we were right anyways, because we went over this with demi.
true I agree with that last paragraph completely....
IMO we have to take both the good with the bad and find a happy medium.....wolverine's been decribed as peak human yet he's done multiple things that a human can't do, so he must have slightly above peak human levels....
he's been rattled by a few blows from decent fighters of low strength levels but then he's seen taking class 100 shots on a semi-regular basis and just getting back up from them...so obviously his durabilitie's way higher than say a class 50 character....but galacticstrom made a good point....a class 50 shot should be a dead certain to knock logan out IF he isn't fighting back.....during a fight you can't put everything into a punch because of various circumstances...i.e. avoiding getting stabbed...
his healing factors hard to guage but I would say that he's been shown to consistantly take LOADS of damage and keep fighting.....him taking a nuke and surviving the sun however? no.
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the thing is half of those so called showings are game endings which don't coincide with the canon material...in th canon material he has trouble with balrog...big difference there.
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