i cant really see the HV blade cutting through MCs armour if MC has plasma weapons the that spells certain doom for GF but without its pretty even snake in twin snakes is evading GFs attcaks liek nothing so MC could od the same and a few punches of MC would really take its toll on GF some one said that Gf suit was years research maybe but MCs is far more advanced it has a uunderlya of gel if i remmeberre correctly and has all sortas of stuff so GF will lose after a long fight any ideas on a scene i was thinking maybe empty room like the one at the begining of the library level on halo
Mechanically GF's suit is far more advanced first of if I'm correct I don't recall anything ever being able to penetrate GF's suit except for Metal Gear Rex's claws on its foot, and also Metal Gear Rex crushed GF on the second stomp, thats how he died. It's more advanced because the suit it self is not effected by bullets and provides full protection from ballistic weapons unlike MC's suit which provides only minor protection form ballistic weapons. But the fact that it provides that much protection without seemingly having a true solid shape like a wet suit which provides complete and full range of movement unlike MC's armor would be considered more advanced. Grey Fox's suit only malfunction because Snake caused so much physical damage to it, and the fact that the suit or as other people put it exoskeleton is as strong if not stronger than MC's armor shows that Snake is very strong, also considering what it took from the Metal Gear Rex just to bend and begin to break the exoskeleton and how it stops bullets so easily, then Snake damages it so badly that shows Snake is pretty damn strong. With the exoskeleton GF is extremely agile, fast, stealthy, and powerful. He can move his arm holding his sword so fast it looks like his arm is not moving at all, he can see and block oncoming bullets with ease with his sword, can jump extremely high and he can cloak as long as he wants, he him self can move so fast it's like one of those movies where you see some demon or supernatural thing just fly past in the back ground as a shadow, MC can't move that fast. About the hallway there was another instance were instead of killing them uncloaked(although no one said he was I don't know maybe the same instance)uncloaked he was cloaked the whole time (Grey Fox's cloaking system actually makes him completely invisible if I remember right). There were like 10 soldiers in a hallway and he decapitated a few cut a few in half and just split the rest open, the whole thing lasted like 3-5 seconds. Grey Fox's blade is extremely sharp as mentioned before, laser sharpened and micro serrated like Darkstorm Zero said just that allows the blade to pass through anything but just in case the subsonic vibrations would allow the blade to tear and destroy the objects molecular structure giving it a much increased chance of cutting, and if I remember right there has been nothing that even caused the appearance of physical resistance when it was being cut, meaning every thing is butter to the blade. Also if a APFSDS round can pierce his armor then his armor is butter too.
Also Grey Fox and Snake are not true enemies sometimes they work together, and GF could easily dodge the plasma shots, for MC it would be like some movie where the monster/demon/supernatural thing dodges the by jumping this way and that, while also making small body movements like turning his body, tilting his head, quickly moving closer and closer then it disappears(cloaks) he looks at his radar only to see the blip is on him and bam his head falls off, or in this case the left side of his stomach and armor is sliced open(at the molecular level too) about .10 seconds after that his back is split open along with the armor and his spinal column is severed and he drops to the ground(and not just to his knees then his upper body, thats unrealistic, he drops like the one guy in the North Hollywood shoot out in February 28, 1997, the one who shot himself in the head, and the video the real helicopter shot from the actual scene live) paralyzed Grey Fox would win.
Sorry I got carried away in the suspense and all that.
Master Chief is awesome but Grey Fox would win.
sigh..... MC is much stronger then Snake. If snake beat him MC would Pwn him. Theres no contest here, Your mistaking Mc for the slugish version you control in the games. The Book MC's show greater abilites then anything in the MGS world. MC would be the one dodging all GF moves. GF is just a man.. MC is much much more then that.
Credit where credit is due... Check out my explanation on Snake, MC, and Tommy Vercetti if you're really interested, they both amount to the same thing and I'm getting lazy here. Go Master Chief.
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Yes, it's a shame that we are debating the videogames and not the books...
it it was the version of MC from the Books, he and GF in a close up fistfight would be roughly Their speed would be close enough to eachother, strength... I'm still trying to determin if MC would survive a Stomp from REX, Intelligence... I'm not too sure, since even in the books we don't see anything of superintelligence from MC that would put him abode Mid level academics. but judging from the games, we can clearly see GF having the advantage...
As I said earlier though, ity's not as clear cut as all that, MC has the motion tracker, and although it doesn't defeat GF's cloaking, it does enable him to deiccern the approximate location of GF.
MC, WITHOUGHT Covenant weaponry would be hard pressed to defeat GF though, Bullets get difflected and GF is fast enough to dodge missiles and grenades, and can survive a few of them. (Chaff grenades play havok on GF though).
That sword would utterly plough through MC, Why your questioning this has got me stumped... if the sword cleaves through solid metal reinforced concrete, metal, stops bullets, and cleaves through god knows how many armoured Genome Soldiers, I'm certain that it can calve through MC's suit.
Yes, MC is stronger than snake, and yes snake defeated GF, but GF was malfunctioning, and was hardly putting up his best fight, remember, he wanted snake in H2H. That says he was holding back considerably.
GF is hardly just a man Hit... Obviously you know very little or nothing of his MGS incarnation... he went through a very similar process that MC went through.
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I know GF isn't an ordinary man, But he has not had anywhere near the amount of "upgrades" as cheif. I will admit that without covenant weapons the fight will be drawn out longer then original, But I still doubt that MC would be hit by that sword... His reactions are just too much for GF, The problem with the book/game debate is your playing as MC in the game, Think of it as You in that suit, MC is much more then me or you. With him in the suit he gets alot more abilites then the game will allow.
Actually, he has received far more upgrades... he is the original Genome experiment subject, so they put him through the works, and that suit? is integrated into him, sort of like Robocop.
It's hard to accertain who has more or better upgrades, or what they might provide, but i'm betting on GF in this. His abilities where not afflicted by his Videogame apperance, even when you could play as him in the MGS Special VR missions disk
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Thats the biggest problem I see with cheif, His games just don't actually represent a true version of him, people think he can't jump... When actually he can jump 3meter walls.
Under that mentality, any character can be scrutinised Hit...
Don't mistake my supporting GF in this as knocking MC, I just think that this fight is alot closer than you say it is.
Answer me this though, do you think that MC could survive the stomping that Rex gave GF in MGS1?
If they wanted him to have all those feats in the game, shouldn't they increase the capabilities of the enemies to match him? that way, the game wouldn't be that easy
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Seeing as MC is stronger then GF and suit has a shield I would guess he would survive, also his bones wouldn't break.. But he would probably in a world of pain.... How much does a rex weigh? though on the otherhand it is entirely possible that he would die..
They can't create a game where you have super reactions... They can't have the game running in constant bullet time... they can give you the trainning MC has had.. Most of the book fiction gives the elites has they are on legendary. On normal there shields are alittle too easy... plus it kinda starts to draw away from being s FPS..
I'm happy with halo the way it is.
Firstly, your Assuming MC is stronger, you don't know how much GF can lift... Secondly, thats a 60+ meters tall and gawd knows how much tonnage of mech standing on his back... MC, and any other organic or semi organic being is going to resemble a square meter of fishpaste... it's just too much mass.
If they didn't put the feats into the game for that reason, then they should have made it a temporary thing like Max paynes Bullet time, or Duke Nukems steroids. there's no real excuse for dropping an ability like that because of gameplay issues when there are options avalable. Heck even the Matrix games kept their abilities...
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yes but its a constant effect... How would it work online?? could you imagine a big team battle game with everyplayer having a bullet time button??? With the ammount of games comming out with bullet time I think halo did well not to have it.
"MC, and any other organic or semi organic being is going to resemble a square meter of fishpaste... it's just too much mass."
yes we could assume alot about the xmen from the movies but that would be foolish now....
Mc's reactions and the fact he sees the world move slower are abilities of his.. Deal with it.
So GF only survived the first stop cause it was though a wall, so the wall broke and didn't provide anything for GF to be crushed against???
No, you misunderstand, he got rammed through a wall by the thing, then got stomped the first time, then it reared it's leg back and stomped again.
MC's abilities according to you maybe... I havn't seen it and since you defend MC or anyone from Halo in every thread... well... I like Halo too, very much so, but MC ain't winning every fight... for the same reason Jin wouldn't win every fight.
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I know he wouldn't win every fight. I don't think he would beat samus 10/10. But when I read these threads though people just don't understand him. You must know how annoying it is when people give a fight to one side cause they don't know about another. People coming out with comments like
"MC can't jump" (this i though was the best)
"MC has died and been reanimated"
"MC has only fought in one battle"
IT would be a greater crime if I just agreed with these people and didn't set them right huh??
I grant you, he is underplayed in the majority of these threads, but you do no favours by using information noone else seems to know to overpower him either...
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Uhh, the way I see it, when I play Halo2 all it takes is a gernade to stick to him and blow up, or getting shot point blank with a 12 gauge shotgun to kill MC ... When I played MGS it took way more then a simple gernade to kill GreyFox
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... When I played MGS it took way more then a simple gernade to kill GreyFox 
