sorry mako but that is the game and the books are what i see as the true mc the thing is with a PC in a game u cant make them live threw everything or theres no contest
Because as GF was shooting at REX's Raidome with the Beam Cannon, The Behemoth charged at him (He was on a Balcony and had no room to move, and was pinned down with REX's Machineguns) Hence he got rammed into a solid steel wall by REX's beek, Then after 5 minutes REX scraped him off of the balcony (A good 30 or 40 foot drop) and landed on his stomach, from there, Rex stomped him the first time and pinned him to the ground, then after another minute, the Metal Monster reared it's leg back and delivered the killing stomp, turning GF into a greasy wet smear on the ground.
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If you're comparing Snake to MC you all most have to go by the games, There's no book out there were Snake's 10, 20, or 30 times stronger so it seems alittle unfair to compaire him to a version of MC that is.. Yes there's a Metal Gear comic but it's nothing along those lines....
think about this...
MC was trainned since he was 6 for at least 20 years. Snake had that much trainning?
MC is a perfect human (genes wise) at the age of 14 he is described as "having the body of a 18 olimpic athilite" then he was upgraded.. Snakes better then the comman man...
MC has a super suit, Snake wears clothes......
theres nothing snake has other MC. Coming out with "snake snipes MC, Snake rockets MC, Snake out camps MC all lose to....MC fires the HALO..."
Umm actually, Snake is not normal. Snake is the perfect soldier, he is inhuman. He was cloned from the greatest soldier alive but they destroyed all his weakpoints making him almost undefetable. Snake is faster, stronger and better than any human ever alive and is also an awesome martial artist, still he is barley able to survive Fox. And Grey Fox is stronger than you suspect. I agree with you it would be a good match, I no longer think he would take it easy but I think he would win. Here are some reasons.
1. GF has a gun that is more powerful than a Stinger Missile launcher (mortar rocket launcher) and it fires like a machine gun.
2. GF is almost impossible to take out with weapons, he dodge explosives, defelcts every possibly shot, can turn invisible and has a strong exo-sceleton and armor.
3. Snake never beated Fox, they fought for a while but then the drugs in his body took control over him and he gets MAD. He jumps around the whole room and destroys everything, even the walls that are made of steel and you can't even see him, you only see everything getting destroyed. Grey Fox is faster than the eye moving and faster than the eye to swing his sword.
4. If Grey Fox does a shock attack, the whole room fills with lightning, killing everything near him and possibly in the room.
5. He dodges metal Gears 2 Vulcan Machine guns without using his sword, he can pretty much dodge every blaster fire MC sends to him.
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Thats the silliest argument I've seen in this debate... The Last part anyways... Completely irrelevant...
Snake was one of the three childeren of the les Enfants Terrible project, one of the first supersoldier projects (As far as videogame universes go anyways) so saying Snakes a normal man shows you don't know much about the Metal Gear games... Like MC, Snake was born, bred and raised for war as a soldier, just because he specialises in Solo Sneaking missions doesn't mean he's an ineffective warrior by any stretch.
Snake is probably better at Sniping than MC, even though MC's rifle is 4 centuries ahead technology wise, same goes with the Missile launcher or any other gun... However, Snake couldn't beat MC despite that, The Cheif has a few too many advantages...
Anyways, why are we comparing Snake to MC, it's supposed to be Grey Fox vs MC.... and nothing has convinced me that MC could take a fully functional GF...
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Sorry sometimes its not obvious when im just slaying a char cause I get annoyed by the debater...
For all GFs great speed he got stomped by some 100+ ton obvious, Slower then a bullet mech. He dodges 100's or rounds but can't see a mechs foot! give me a break. For the sake of GF fans Ill admit that GF might be as fast to react as MC, (whos suit works faster then you can think) and his sword might be "really cool" but the energy sword still ownes GF...
Yeah, despite the fact that the sword is Covenant made... Err tell me, would MC still win if GF was piloting Rex?... No...
Anyone would get stommped after getting rammed into a wall of unforgiving steel by a 100+ tonns of mech, remember, GF was pinned down my heavy machinegun fire without his sword. there was no way he culd see REX charging at him and move in time. No one could.
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1) Threadstarted didn't specify, and since that weapon is Covenant made... You know, you make this assumption alot... MC wins due to Covenant weaponry... How in the blue hell would MC get a Covenant weapon in a battle against GF?
2) Debatable, it would depend on ho lands the first shot, I'm willing to bet a Rail cannon fired Next Gen Nuke would fry anyone piloting an opentopped Scarab.
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yes alot of games work under the premise that the heros, get the enemy weapons... If i remember snake picks up enemy weapons alot..... so should we discount all his weapons??? Hell SA doesn't own anything of her own.! she scavenges more then most! Covenant weapons got taken from battle fields. they have been given to MC on more then one occasion when they realised they were superior to human weapons.
scarbs are controlled from the inside. There plasma cannons decimate tanks and concrete buildings. easily ruin a rex.
But there is no seal for the cockpit, it's an open walkway inside...
Those are at least manufactured on Earth, GF has all his weapons (2 weapons) Why give MC the unbeleivable advantage of weapons from outer space... (It's not like MC just walked off of the battlefield with the Covenant and there's GF all ready to go... Another thing unspecified by the Threadstarter...)
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would you like to assume MC is sleeping at the time? perhaps he is without his suit as well...... Everyone knows chars are aloud all of there weapons they can get there hands on in the game... Stop being bitter about it darkstorm...
Perhaps you could start correcting my spelling and grammar next....
Perhaps you should try not being a Smart@$$ and actually debate the topic, even with the Covenant weaponry, this fight is very close, alot closer than you give it credit for...
Largely due to GF's unending stealth capability and his own energy weapons and abilities.
(This comming from a guy why has demonstrated that he knows little about MGS1...)
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yes... I admit my own ignorance on a particular char. Better then being corrected for assumming things that latter get corrected by someone who knows something about that char....
Ive already proved that with covenant weaponary GF gets killed. what more do you want... ok I'll give you 3/10 GF wins...
LOL. Play the game dude. Fox has just dodge a machine gun without his sword, then he realises he got to wound Rex so Snake can destroy it so he stops dodging and just runs at it and gets about 6 shots in the head and his armor breakes. He destroys the anntenna of Rex and then jumps about 20 meters up in the air, AVOIDING Rex to crush him. Then Rex fires a laser beam while Fox is in the air so he cannot avoid it and he looses his arm. He then falls to an upper level and Rex slams him into the wall and is actually striking through Fox body. Then he pushes him down on the ground and is stomping at him but unable to kill him. He then gives all he got and stomps again, this time with spikes on ihs feet and Fox dies. So you can't say that he was too slow to move away from him, he was hardly alive.
If Fox was fighting Master Chief he could just go beserk and jump around the whole room slicing him to pieces, he is to fast to even be seen. So don't say that GF is slow reacting, he is fast enough to parry 10 men who is firing at him with AKS and he is not even trying, he just walks around, probably laughing inside his suit.
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dont get me wrong guys...i love grey fox to death! but master cheif (spartan 117 or john) has an iq of 195 (he can calculate a projectiles speed and distance down to the very inch and mile), can lift 50 tons, and when boxing with other spartans its imposible to see his, or any other spartans fist,(btw: this is without his mjornir armor that boosts his speed and strenth) he has extreme reflexes, his bones have been dimond hardened, and he has wound recovery....now lets go to his armor.....his armor can protect him from about 4-5 tons of pressure, increases his bodys respose time by thought...(a normal human once wore the suits prototype and broke his arms cause the suit responded too fast and when he scringed in pain he broke his neck and his back and died)...the suits sheild can take 2-3 hi-powered sniper rifle shots before recharging (that takes apoxmatly 2 seconds) and with the addition of the most intelegent AI ever made by mankind (cortana)(ps: this story takes place in the year 2552) downloaded into the chip in his head that is used to control the mjolnir armor, also the armor has a motion detection radar,and can be capable of going into cloaking or overshield mode....(these stats are just for the old armor used in halo 1, im not too shure about the power of the new suit in halo2 but im certain it would be better)
with this said master chief would win barehanded..... and no exoskelen in the world could save grey fox from gettin the backally beatdown
also even if u still belive that grey fox will win, read the halo book anyway... its that damn good....
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