So all the low showing of Juggernaut mean nothing but PIS eh? U cant objectively look at his career. Juggernaut getting beat is not a "new idea" He's been getting stopped, moved, and beaten his whole career. Thing sucks cuz he got knocked down by Juggernaut...yet Colossus knocked Jugs on his ass and it wasn't PIS? And Colossus is superior to Thing? See where I get the sense of pro-X-Men bias?
Everyone has the opportunity to subjectively observe Juggernaut's career. He has lost in almost each of his appearances, even as a hero. Eventually u have to except its not PIS...I consider it PIS when he does something impressive.
Anyway thanks for at least listening to some of my examples and argument like Nimrod. Even though there's no reason for me to disbelieve Nimrod or any other high-tech kicking his ass. Jugs had his flesh ripped away in one instance of his career in a mystical realm against D'Spayre a mystical being who's powers are generally of the reality warping/illusion type.
I didn't think it was insulting but if it was then I retract the words.
This doesn't change the outcome.
There is far more evidence to support the belif that Juugernatu is indeed fireproof. While you only have one inceidnet, where he didn't acually show any sign of being hurt except for what he said, to say that he can be hurt by fire. Meaning you think Torch's flames cna become hot enough but that isn't based on anything while the belif that Juggs is immune to flame is based onhis feats.
Now Juugernat has with stood the Godblast that shattered a celestial sheild and sent Galactus packing for his life, without a scratch and that is a Mystical Attack, which he actaully has some vulnerabilty to unlike Torch's entiely psycial attack. So it is safe to say that if the God blast which has done things comparable to what Sue and Johhny have done wiht the maximum use of their powers is it not safe to say then that the powers would only slightly affect him?
Nimrod would own the Fantastic Four, in a no prep fight. Reed would be the only one of use there but that is neither here nor there. He took vision sticking his hand into his head so I don't see why sue's focefield would be any different.
As for the Hulk, the hulk doesn't have any psychic powers so how could he get hurt by a psychic backlash from the Hulk? Mayhaps you have your facts mistaken?
The Hulk got knocked the **** out by Juggernaut, it just took him a couple more hits than it did to knock out Thing. The most Hulk ever did was toss him around or kncok him down but the Hulk never knocked him out under hsi own power.
Of course he isn't unstoppable, its hyperbole because he has been stopped on occasion, this doesn't hlep the Fantastic Four any though. How do you even know that Sue's force feilds could get through to juggernat's eyse or Brain? You don't. Who cares if Storm Blows up the planet Juggernaut doesn't can survive in space. They all turn invisible? Foot stomp or Handclap and Sue's force feilds colapse from the backlash.
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Beating Juggernaut is a very specific task. I don't see the FF having the tools to pull it off. You pretty much need psionic power to do it, which is a big, gaping hole in the FF's arsenal.
While the neural disruptor is not PIS, IMO, I will say that ever being burned or melted or whatever is, given all the evidence to the contrary. I'll chalk that up to Juggernaut not having his forcefield activated, which he'll most certainly have for this fight.
Sue, by the way, couldn't replicated what Nimrod did. Juggernaut is immune to physical attacks. While it's good thinking that Sue could disrupt Juggernaut's nervous system, it would be a physical attack simulating a neurological attack....it wouldn't work the way an actual neurological attack would.
Nimrod hurt Jugs with tight beam sonics and then paralyzed him with a synapsis dislocator which apparently intercepted the electrochemical impulses in his central nerve system...both physical attacks.
I can buy Nimrod figuring out a way to hurt Juggs as he was designed to hunt down mutants (I suppose even mutants with mystical powers) and is the most advanced sentinel ever made. But I can't see the FF being able to figure out a way to hurt Juggs in the middle of a fight. Give Reed some prep time and enough info on how Juggs powers work and maybe they could think of something. I think dealing with a pissed off Juggernaut will be a little too distracting.
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It was the sonics specifically that screwed up his synapses. Because Juggernaut can hear, his ears are sensitive to sound vibrations, meaning he's vulnerable to that kind of technique. Sue's fields can't replicate sonics.
I contend that Juggernaut can take down the FF with a sonic attack far more readily than vice-versa. And Sue is also vulnerable to it since she can hear as well.
He probably has already thought of something...the F4 already have strategies for fighting most everyone they know exist, i.e. when they fought Aron (Much more powerful than Juggernaut).
And um...Juggernaut is not a mutant...jus so u know
They could be invisble and fight and just fight him until they get tired and take him out of the environment....they still win.
Thing and Torch and Kristoff fought Aron it was no prep but they already had a contingency plan for it...then Aron pulled a bunch of characters out of the timestream against them: weaklings like psychoman and wizard, up to powerhouses like Hulk, Gladiator, Silver Surfer, Anihilus, and Dr. Doom. Aron was disguised as Uatu at the time. Uatu is their Watcher Ally. So if the F4 have a plan to fight one of their allies who is a serious cosmic powerhouse nearly as old as the universe...I think they have a contingency plan to fight an Earth villain who robs banks and got beat by Spiderman.
Juggernaut was a villian and (like other villians) mostly used as connon fodder to be beaten by the top line superheroes, so I don't hold it against him. I'm not saying that the FF are pushovers but looking at Classic Juggs powers and theirs, I just don't see how they could beat him without PIS or ultimate de-jugger-fier. If they had a psi user on their team, I think they would have a shot, but they lack the ability to exploit his main weakness
And, realistically, they couldn't have a fighting stragety MEMORIZED for everyone they know. It might be in a computer file in the Baxter Building but thats not going to do a hell of a lot of good.
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The idea that the FF has a contingency plan for fighting every villain is complete conjecture and doesn't mean anything if the plan isn't put into effect. Black Panther says he has a plan to fight and defeat Galactus - no joke. But I don't take it seriously until I see it. The X-men have programmed and fought against every villain in their Danger Room and have said they have plans against everybody too. But until it happens, I don't buy that, either. So I likewise won't buy it with the Fantastic Four. I mean, what's their no-prep plan for fighting the Shadow King? And I can't possibly see how they could have a plan for fight Uatu, who could pretty much snap them out of existence.
Unless the plan consists of running and screaming.
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Oct 14th, 2005 02:42 PM
Amen
