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Storm couldn't kick Magneto in the shin....she dont have to throw a bolt.
Storm cant fly outside ?



as for the second thing.....Wolverine only lives with the guy....


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they're probly not very close, tho.

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o yeah, and why send storm up there to kick Magneto in the shins? Great plan, pimp.

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o yeah, and why send storm up there to kick Magneto in the shins? Great plan, pimp.


No sending Wolverine by himself so magneto could control his body, is a better plan than sending Wolvie and Storm up there and Wolvie breaks the machine, while storm kicks mags in the shin. wink


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I was thinking about this for a while. Thay are basically wolverine conquering a power or finding his past. In your first scenario, They wanted wolverine to go up there because him and rogue have a bond together and he would be able to stop magneto by getting stronger to stop magnetos control on him.

Second one. Lets just face it Wolverine was a major character from the last movie and collosus was a guy you see half way through the movie throwing gaurds through walls. Also if collosus went wolverine wouldn't have had the big mysterious scene with stryker.

It is a lot about wolverine but in all fairness he is a character thats well known and with a lot of storyline. Also in X2 there was a lot of parts to do with Jean.... I don't know possibly the scene were she DIES. But other than that its really all about wolverine but I doubt the next one will be wolverine. I have a feeling that it will be pheonix getting all the glory. If you don't beleive me watch the last scene of X2 if thats not Pheonix in the lake I don't know what it is

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Originally posted by Revan Souer
why the hell are you lot complaining x1 & x2 where cool films and in every film theres a lead role and wolverine like it or not has the best back story of the lot of them. Even in the comics tis is true so stop the crying and face it Logan rocks
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Ok why in the world, at the end of Xmen 1, did cyclops go storm could you take me up tehre, then she said I dont control it like that, then Wolevrine said Send me up there ???


Uh why ???

1. STORM could of flew up there herself
2. jean could fly but I understand she doesnt in the movie but STORM COULD.
3. Uh why couldnt Jean get out when magneto pinned her with metal. Cant she use her powers to bend it off ?

ANyway, storm could fly ?


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Ok they could of easily traded spots. Collosus could of just walked through, everyone, while wolverine helps the kids ?

I can't wait to see Wolverine 3 the movie

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When rogue was trapped in the machine, why didnt storm just fly up there, and blast it. why did Wolverine have to fly up there with storms powers ?
Wolverine and collousus should of just switched places in x2, when he said I could help you, and wolvie said help them. I m like wolvie coulda of helped THEM an d Collossus could of killed the soldiers better.

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1. So you mean, if Wolverine wasn't there, she would of died, even though there was 3 other Xmen.

2. Storm could of flew Wolverine up there. How is Magneto going to push them both off ? He was halfdead flopping around, like a fish.

3. So it's smarter to send the guy with the adimantuim, bones near the master of magnitism ?

4. WOLVERINE THE MOVIE.



oh yeah why the hell pro x say, Magneto found some way toi block my mind reading after logan said why dont you find magneto. Well if its the helmet, I know for a fact that thing doesnt cover his whole head, or I doubt he has it on 24/7, even while he sleeps, or DUH read Sabertooth's mind since he knows, who he is. I am sure he knows the plan.


Okay. Here we go...

Yeah, Storm could have flown herself up to Rogue, but she couldn't do anything to get Rogue out of Magneto's machine.

Jean admits to Scott her powers are not strong enough to free them from the metal.

Storm using lightning on Magneto's machine would have harmed Rogue as well.

Wolverine had to fly up to rescue Rogue because he had the best chance of freeing Rogue and surviving any mistakes made by Storm. Cyclops had to stay on the ground because he was the only one of the team able to possibly free Rogue from a distance.

Colossus: "I could help you."
Wolverine: (Hmmmm. Well, I've killed some people before and I really don't enjoy the guilt or the abuse my psyche has taken as a result of it, so I don't see any reason to wish that on this kid as well. On the other hand, he is a pretty big guy. I probably could use some help, but he is still practically a child and I don't dig endangering children, no matter how bad-ass they may be. Speaking of children, there's a lot of them trying to escape right now and they will need someone to protect them. I have no idea how many soldiers there are or if the soldiers have knowledge of the secret passage and possibly have an ambush planned and I'm probably gonna be busy in here for awhile so it might be better if he escorts the others to safety.) "Help them."

...Sounds reasonable to me...

Yes. If Wolverine wasn't there ROGUE WOULD HAVE DIED. She had to absorb his healing factor to survive as it was.

It was smarter to send the guy with adamantium bones against the master of magnetism because the master of magnetism currently had his powers absorbed by Rogue and couldn't do much more than drool all over himself. He even told Sabretooth he would be completely defensless throughout the entire ordeal. Remember, Cyclops was needed to blast the machine from the ground in case Wolverine failed.

I am very much looking forward to Wolverine's solo movie. Maybe I'll even see Sabretooth make another appearance...

Magneto had constructed a shield from Cerebro around his entire base, protecting everybody within. That is why he didn't need to wear his helmet inside it. I also doubt he had told any of his teammates any more than they needed to know until Professor X was neutralized just in case the happened to have their minds picked. I wouldn't have.

So...

Yep, the movies center on Wolverine BECAUSE HE'S THE GUY EVERYBODY IS PAYING TO SEE!!! He's got four video games, about a thousand action figures, and appears in more comic series than any other hero. It's because people love him and will pay to have anything with him in it on on it. No matter how crappy his character development has gotten, no matter how overused he is, people still can't get enough of him. I admit, he is 95% of the reason I went to see the movie. There is absolutly no way I would have payed money to see it in the theatre without him, and Jackman nailed the part PERFECTLY. I had my doubts when I heard he was cast for the part, but all doubt was crushed the first time he lit up a cigar and glared at the camera. Jackman had the best character portrayal in both movies and he completely deserved to have the movies center around him. Did you know he took cold showers to keep the edgy feel to Wolverine's personality and completely avoided Tyler Mane while filming the keep the spirit of the rivalry between the two characters alive. Let's see Halle "I cant decide which accent I'm going to use today" Barry have some dedication to the characters like that. Although she did learn to use a whip for Catwoman...

...Mmmmmm chicks with whips...

...Okay now that my mind is back from the gutter, the last thing I'll say here is thet I hope to God the third movie centers on Wolverine as well or it will be a complete flop with no hope of further sequels, Except of course the Wolverine solo movie that's already in development. Please GOD let Sabretooth be in it...


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Originally posted by REVAN DARKSIDE
why the hell are you lot complaining x1 & x2 where cool films and in every film theres a lead role and wolverine like it or not has the best back story of the lot of them. Even in the comics tis is true so stop the crying and face it Logan rocks


We are complaining because we are Xmen fans, fans of the whole team and the developers of those movies made it the Wolverine show. Where was the fan service? I love Wolverine but lets face it he is hardly leader material. He's known for being a loose cannon.

Having Wolverine leading the X men as the movie developers did in every ****ing movie is like having The Hulk lead the Avengers and putting Captain America and Iron man in the back ground as supporting characters, doing simple shit like rescuing cats from trees whilst Hulk defuses bombs and saves the day.

If anything Cyclops should have had a bigger role since any Xmen fan worth their weight in salt would know that Cyclops was not only one of the original Xmen but he was the leader as well. He should have been the tactician in the fight against the brother hood.

As for Xmen 1 and 2 being good films, well lets just say that subjective and debatable.

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How would they have gotten free of being captured?

Or even back to the fight with Mystique, she could have infiltrated the others and taken them down one by one without them ever realizing.

Each of the X-Men were invaluable.

And then what would Storm have done?

Best to send the guy that if there was an accident and he missed, would most likely be able to survive a fall off the statue of liberty.

The only two that could have done something up there were Cyclops and Wolverine. . .


If the movie was closer to the source material Storm could have done a whole lot! She doesn't only have control over lightning.

As for Jean Grey, one of the most powerful mutants in the Marvel universe, she should not have been subdued so easily. That is expecting a bit to much suspension of disbelief from anyone who knows anything about the Xmen before watching the movies.

Jean and Storm alone should have been able to control the threat but it was written from the beginning for Hugh Jackman to be the star of the movie. Perhaps if Jackman was playing the role of Storm or Jean with make up and a wig, the characters would have shown their full potential.

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Okay, you guys obviously aren't getting this. Storm couldn't do anything to magneto or to the machine, and she couldn't fly because, like she said, she had very little control over the wind. She flew in the elevator shaft because it was an enclosed space and she didn't have to worry about going sideways or frontways or anything.

Sending Wolverine was kind of a precaution. If they sent Cyclops and missed, then the mission would be over, so they sent Wolverine because if they sent him and missed then they'd still have a plan B.

As for the Colossus thing, how was Wolverine supposed to know what his powers were? Also, what did it probably look like to Wolverine? Some kid runs up and wants to play hero. You can't really blame Wolverine for declining the offer.

Hope that clears it up.


One of two things, either the developers of the movies didn't research Storm very well or they deliberately placed limitations on her to make Wolverine the saviour and star of the scene aswell as the movie. To say that Storm had to fly up a shaft because the wind was to strong is completely laughable. Storm has mastery over the elements in the way Magneto has mastery over metal and magnetism. The weather does not predicate how she can use her powers, she dictates and controls the weather. She decides when there is a storm, when the weather is calm or when it rains.

Wolverine's only real advantage over the other members in that scene was his heightened sense of smell where abilities are concerned, if he was needed to detect hidden enemies like a shape shifting Mystique.

Clearly, the writers of these movies are fans of Wolverine, it shows in all of the Xmen movies. Yes Wolverine is an iconic character not only in the Xmen but in Marvel, but in these movies he is overrated. In the comics Wolverine goes long periods where he is away from the Xmen and they cope just fine. In the movies you wonder how they managed before meeting him.

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One of two things, either the developers of the movies didn't research Storm very well or they deliberately placed limitations on her to make Wolverine the saviour and star of the scene aswell as the movie.



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The movies were made to make a star out of Wolverine. They really wern't X-Men movies.

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These movies should have all just been called "Wolverine and then some other Mutants".

Because in X3, why is Wolverine of all people fighting Juggernaut? Why not Colossus? The super strong guy who is pretty much his physical rival among the X-Men.

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Why was Wolverine supposed to be the only one who could stop Jean in X3?

If it's because of his unbreakable bones and HF then surely Colossus would do a better job.

If it's because Jean just "Lol couldn't kill him because she just loved him too much," then why was she perfectly willing to kill Cyclops?

They were just stupid "Wolverine & His Mutant friends" movie. First Class was the first actual X-Men movie we got. Just so unfortunate they couldn't use the Actual "First Class" because they were making it a sort of prequel to the "Wolverine & His Mutant friends" films.

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Why was Wolverine supposed to be the only one who could stop Jean in X3?

If it's because of his unbreakable bones and HF then surely Colossus would do a better job.

If it's because Jean just "Lol couldn't kill him because she just loved him too much," then why was she perfectly willing to kill Cyclops?

They were just stupid "Wolverine & His Mutant friends" movie. First Class was the first actual X-Men movie we got. Just so unfortunate they couldn't use the Actual "First Class" because they were making it a sort of prequel to the "Wolverine & His Mutant friends" films.


She couldn't kill him because she had sexual feelings for him and that held her back from going "all out" on him.

He survived passive strikes from her enough to get close. Then she let him kill her Sentry style. For deep down she was too conflicted in her emotions to allow herself to continue.

The Pheonix in the Xmen films was a parasitic powermonger who seeked control but couldn't completely overwhelm Jean's instincts. And Logan was the punching bag for her insecurities.


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She was attracted to him and couldn't kill him.

She "loved" Scott... Oh.


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She was attracted to him and couldn't kill him.

She "loved" Scott... Oh.


Scott arrived too early on the scene. She tested him and he didn't survive.

Pr, the movie sucked!

I'm just trying to explain how Logan survived the final battle.

Even though she had feelings for Logan she still tried to burn his guts open. It failed. In the end the death of Jean in the Xmen films boiled down to S&M.

Her demons were too strong and required someone who could survive her destructive capacity enough for the individual to gut her.

It's as simple as that.


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I'm just trying to explain how Logan survived the final battle.



We know what the movie's explanation is. We're just pointing out that explanation was made so Wolverine can be in the spotlight.

Same reason why Colossus was told to help the kids in X2.

Fact is Phoenix story should have more to do with Cyclops than Wolverine. And turning Cyclops into a cameo in X2 and X3 was just a crime against the title X-Men.

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We know what the movie's explanation is. We're just pointing out that explanation was made so Wolverine can be in the spotlight.

Same reason why Colossus was told to help the kids in X2.

Fact is Phoenix story should have more to do with Cyclops than Wolverine. And turning Cyclops into a cameo in X2 and X3 was just a crime against the title X-Men.


Agreed, the films failed at being Xmen films. All the characters were simply extras compared to Wolverine cept Xavier, Magneto and Rogue, who was just Jubilee really.


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Scott arrived too early on the scene. She tested him and he didn't survive.

Pr, the movie sucked!

I'm just trying to explain how Logan survived the final battle.

Even though she had feelings for Logan she still tried to burn his guts open. It failed. In the end the death of Jean in the Xmen films boiled down to S&M.

Her demons were too strong and required someone who could survive her destructive capacity enough for the individual to gut her.

It's as simple as that.


I don't disagree. All three movies sucked to me. The first one was the best of the bunch, though, I think.


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Best part of X2 was the White House scene and Colossus' 20 seconds.

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