What the hell does Thor being upgraded have to do with anything?
They aren't powers he possess, they are powers in Mjolnir. It's like saying that a green lantern can't create heat anymore because they haven't displayed that ability in a while. It is an application of Mjolnir's energy manipulation, WHICH HAS ABSOLUTELY NO -FU(KING- THING TO DO WITH THOR'S POWERSET. Be in Deadpool or Wolverine who uses the hammer, it matters not. The powers are in the hammer.
the reason being comics were written with a complete different outlook 40 years ago vs today.
I would say, that since the late 90s, comics have tried to portray characters more realistically (ie, try to make their feats and powers accord with general laws of science and logic). Hence, today you no longer see absolutely ridiculous feats such as someone lifting a heaven or someone pulling planets on a string.
I think when we consider a character's feats, we should consider only the 'modern-era' feats as the classic ones are often completely unrepresentative of characters as they are today.
The last 6 years or so he has been using the odinforce. Mjolnir has not changed one bit since the 1960s. This setup GREATLY favours DC, considering how their entire shitline was retconned 20 years ago. If we're going to suddenly invalidate any feats that have not taken place the last 10-15 years, then Thor and the Surfer especially are shit out of luck.
It's not a matter of being fair or unfair to one side
it is a matter of applying common sense to arrive at the most reasonable conclusion
this isn't to say we should set a delineated number of years that we hold feats for
but rather when using feats, we should ask if such feats are representative of the characters as they are portrayed today. So if Thor was whooping hulk's butt in the 70s, I think that's a perfectly legit feat, as the same thing can be written today.
whereas for me, the midgard serpent event would be not be a worthwhile feat because it was more a product of the era in which it was written, where fantastical, completely nonsensical feats happened.
Hercules' supporting the heavens was just recently referenced. Maggeddon feat is from the 90s, so is the world engine feat. Nonsense did not stop 15 years ago, it's continued.
notice I never said we should set a concrete timeline of when feats become acceptable, for that reason alone.
you're right, feats today can still sometimes verge on the edge of ridiculousness, but they're far rarer today. my general sense is writers today try to incorporate a much greater sense of realism into the characters, and their powers (hence the creation of Ultimate Marvel).
I personally think it matters not when a feat occurs, but rather whether the feat comports with the whole spectrum of a character.
So for instance, we know herc is a pretty strong dude, a high class 100. but he isn't above (or at least by any significant degree) guys like hulk or juggernaut. so a feat like lifting the heavens (pretty meaningless since what is the quantifiable weight of heaven?) is made even more irrelevant by the fact that you either have to assume 1) it was PIS or 2) the feat was something that could be replicated by hulk or juggernaut or other strong CL100s.
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For some characters perhaps but certainly not for all. If theve shown absolutely no reduction in the range of their powerset as well as overall power then there is no problem. For example, surfer has only been portrayed more powerfully as time has gone on but he hasnt had that many appearances in the last ten years and so though he has massive feats in the last few years, the bulk of his feats come from 1988-1997 and even earlier periods. These other feats cant somehow become invalid because they happened a long time ago because we know that he still has those exact same capabilities and still performs similar feats the few times he appears nowadays.
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Unquantifiable strength feats have nothing to do with PIS. One character acting especially stupid and weak in order to further the plot, is what that rule covers. It was the Midgard Serpent's first appearance and it acted perfectly in character.
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