in response to your question - no, sauron is not weak because he was defeated by a man. I was implying that I dont see why all these people are saying there is no competition for Sauron if you put him against gandalf - its silly.
Lets us remember Gandalf is very old as well, even the scenes at the black gate you can see he is in a bit of agony from swaying around too much,
Discos - not weak, just plain stupid to put his hand out towards a man who is in reaching distance of a very sharp blade.
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Hard to say - Ian McKellen was reported to have asked Peter Jackson during the siege of Minas Tirith, "Why am I hitting these creatures over the head with my staff and sword? Why not use a spell?" Peter Jackson:"Just think like the batteries in your staff have run down."
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Actually, you've messed up a couple of parts in that explaination, noting that Sauron neve was more powerful then morgoth, even after he was cast into th eVoid
During the ensuing War of Wrath, Beleriand and much of the north of Middle-earth was destroyed, but at the end Morgoth was utterly defeated, and his punishment was final. Because he had weakened himself so he could no longer resist the Valar. Melkor/Morgoth was executed, and his fëa was shut outside the gates of the world forever. Shut off from Arda where most of his essence remained he was unable to ever return
Morgoth weakened himself during the War of Wrath and when Sauron created the One Ring, his power was greater then Morgoth's.
no chance was Sauron more powerful than Morgoth, notice how the Vala decided not to personally defeat sauron themselves but had to do it once and a bit with Melkor then with Morgoth.
Hund never defeated Sauron, just scared him off....Hund was a big ass dog, and even the mightiest of foes would be scared of a biatch dog like Hund
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gandalf is of the 1/2 elf and half man and at some point is 1/8 god. he is not allowed to interfere with the dealings of men because he has been given the grace to live on from Manwe (the most powerful and wisest of the gods besides melkor) he is not allowed to effect the scale in a grand scale e.g killing the witch king of agmar and when he does only in dire needs
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I put Sauron with his ring somewhere near Melkors range, unfortunately Sauron stupidly allowed himself to have his fingers removed so Melkor was stronger all round imo.
Sauron was cleverer though, more cunning, he would spend a shit-load of time planning things (such as living in weird forrests planning getting his ring back etc etc) whereas Melkor would just randomly let out a few thousand gallons of lava one day and have a five year battle.
Melkor was a psycho Sauron was pyschotic but in a more sane way.
Where did you hear that Gandalf was 1/2 elf, 1/2 man and 1/8 god? He is not allowed to interfere? That's the sole purpose of the five wizards going to Middle-Earth in the first place. To help defeat Sauron.
haha 1 half elve and 1 half man - 1/8 god? he was a bleedin Miar. End of story.
That has to be one of the funniest posts I have read in a while. This one is going on my favourites.
Chris has some valid points, Sauron was smart and dangerous - very good combination for a bad guy. And yes Melkor was just a retard, I think maybe Sauron learned from melkor's mistakes seeing as melkor was first to do "evil" that the Vala had heard of.
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Ummmm....Sauron was at his strongest when he was serving Morgoth. He had made the ring, not to get more powerful, but to sustain his life and power in the Sil, it said that Sauron started to 'diminish' awhile after Morgoths defeat, and no, i will not go hunting for it in the book for a direct quote, i just stated what i remember, if you want to see it look for yourself. I'm too lazy.
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false, the Isatari which included Saruman couldnt even consider taking on the dark lord... Sauron was a physical being and a dark mastery gleaned from Morgoth...
the entire posse of wizards together only then might have a teeny chance in combat... yes this is including Rhataghast as well as the blue green and red wizards.
I heard it of some LOTR fan a while ago, he said that in order to pull of his magical stunts he needed to have grace( yeah sure well and good says you) But when he became gandalf the white he surpassed his previous form also it was said that he became and equal with souron who was a what; a miar so any questions??!?
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Gandalf the White was equal to the Witch-King who is Sauron's greatest servant. There is a reason the Witch-King is Sauron's servant. Gandalf cannot defeat Sauron as Gandalf the Grey or Gandalf the White.
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Oct 13th, 2005 01:19 PM
Sauron was pyschotic but in a more sane way.
