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Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Precisely. Everything that we do relative to God we must do with child-like, simple faith.


Children believe in the Easter Bunny, Santa Claus, and the Boogie man. Their child-like simple faith is what makes them GULLIBLE.


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Well, they make me laugh. smile


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Originally posted by Mindship
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Since you appear to interpret Scripture literally, kindly interpret John 4:22, where Jesus says...
"You worship what you know not, we worship what we know, for salvation is from the Jews."

So as not to betray your own position (I'm sure you don't intend to), please be consistent: interpret literally. The most common interpretation I've heard generally takes the form of...
"Jesus was referring to himself, since he was 'from the Jews'."

If that's the case--and keeping with a literal interpretation--why didn't he just say 'from the Jew' (singular), or even more direct, 'from me', like he does in John 14:6...
"I am the Way, the Truth and the Life; no one comes to the Father except by me."
...a literal interpretation meaning, Only Jesus Saves.

Then what would a literal interpretation of John 4:22 mean: 'from the Jews' (plural)?
Again, be fair by being consistent.

Thank you for your attention.
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I do not understand your question mindship.

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you're not exactly making a good impression here.
maybe you should take uhm.. a different approach...
That can sometimes be a problem with extremist fundamentalists....

Also to answer the question "What is truth, Jesus Christ is truth" Jesus may have known many truths, but that's not to say others didn't as well.

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Originally posted by Jury
Yes. Jesus knew the signs that the Day is coming. But no one knows when the Day will be... not even Jesus Himself... nor the angels in heaven... ONLY the Father.

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Doesn't sound like a very open relationship if you ask me....especially for those that believe that Jesus and god the father are one...

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Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
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I do not understand your question mindship.


No problemo.

1. John 14:6 interpreted literally means, 'Only Jesus saves'.

2. To be consistent, what would a literal interpretation of John 4:22 mean? Why does Jesus say, '...salvation is from the Jews'? Why didn't he just say, 'from the Jew' or 'from me' if he is referring to himself?

If you still don't understand what I'm asking, it would help me out a great deal if you could be specific as to why you don't understand the question. Thanks.


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In order to understand what Jesus says here it is necessary to examine the whole context. Who is the Lord Jesus speaking to in John 4:22? Go all the way back up to verse 5 of this chapter (ch.4) and you will learn that Jesus had come to a city of Samaria. At this time the Jews had no dealings with the Samaritans; they did not associate with Samaritans at all. Read verse 27 of ch. 4. When Jesus disciples returned they marveled that Jesus talked with the Samaritan woman because they knew that Jews did not have anything to do with Samaritans.

Now to complete my response to your question the Samaritan woman tells Jesus that her fathers (ancestors) worshipped on this mountain (verse 20, ch.4.) She goes on to say that the Jews say that in Jerusalem is the place where one ought to worship. Jesus responds by telling the Samaritan woman that there is coming a time when she will neither worship the Father God on this mountain nor in Jersusalm. Finally Jesus tells the woman that she worships what she does not know. But that the Jews know what (or Whom) they worship for (or because) salvation is of the Jews. In other words, Jesus tells the woman that salvation--God the Father's plan of salvation--originated with the Jewish people. You see God needed a starting point to bring His Son Jesus into the world (God becoming flesh) so He chose the Jews. This is what John 4:22 is talking about. Salvation--God the Fathers excellent plan of salvation from sin--had its starting point, its beginning through the Jewish people. That is why the Bible was written by Jews. The Old Testament was written in Hebrew with some portions in Aramaic (the language that Jesus spoke). But the New Testament was written in Greek. This is all that John 4:22 is talking about. Can you see this mindship?


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...God the Father's plan of salvation--originated with the Jewish people... Can you see this mindship?

U bet.

Then why didn't Jesus say something like '...salvation began with the Jews'?

To say, '...salvation is from/of the Jews' makes it sound like the Jews are still the source of salvation, not just a starting point.


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I see what you are saying. I don't know why Jesus didn't say it another way. But I will ask Him when I get to meet Him in Heaven!


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I don't know why Jesus didn't say it another way.

That's fine. I thank you for this simple and direct response.


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all it takes is child-like faith. Reach out to Jesus Christ and ask Him to save you and make you righteous in order to go to Heaven.


Or blind naivety, as it's more commonly known.

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I see what you are saying. I don't know why Jesus didn't say it another way. But I will ask Him when I get to meet Him in Heaven!


So, even though it doesn't make sense, you're going to believe it anyway? Child-like faith, indeed.


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He who dies with the most toys. Still dies.

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Absolutely. I am God's child. Did you not believe everything that your parents told you when you were a child? Your parents raised you from infancy. You had to eat whatever they put in front of you and believe whatever they told you until you were old enough to think for yourself.


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So you admit you aren't thinking for yourself...?

Do you really think your parents always wanted you to believe whatever you were told by authority figures? They didn't want you to grow up into a rational, thinking, adult? I wouldn't consider that good parenting.


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I only admit that I am taking God at His Word just as you take the newspaper authors, news anchors, scientists and everyone else that tells you something.


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I don't take any single person's word as fact. If lots of people tell me the same thing, then I consider it.

If I told you that we were living in a giant pink marshmallow, you wouldn't simply take me at my word. You would be even less likely to take me at my word if someone else told you I had said that.


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Death only gives another set of choices.

He who dies with the most toys. Still dies.

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You got that right.


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Originally posted by Jury
Yes. Jesus knew the signs that the Day is coming. But no one knows when the Day will be... not even Jesus Himself... nor the angels in heaven... ONLY the Father.

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"But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father."
Mark 13:32


* Christ doesn't know it when He was still here on earth preaching... but now that He is on the heavens with the Father, Christ now already knows... wink

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"But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father."
Mark 13:32


* Christ doesn't know it when He was still here on earth preaching... but now that He is on the heavens with the Father, Christ now already knows... wink
i see
so does any one think these are the end times ( by the way i believe in jesus big grin ))


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"But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father."
Mark 13:32


* Christ doesn't know it when He was still here on earth preaching... but now that He is on the heavens with the Father, Christ now already knows... wink

Oh I see...

So Christ was a very limited God.


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