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<<This is a good match I know Jinz better and like him a lot but its equal at the moment.>>
i agree whirly. 2 things are slightly in jin's favor for me: the amount of damage he can absorb is quite a lot, and i'm not sure lam's able to do enough damage to really get in close to do the damage he needs -- ie the sword/decapitate jin. the other is -- as startegic as benedict would be in a book, he's ltd to lam's ability to plan. i don't doubt benedict himself could find a way to get to jin's character, but can lam? i'm not sure. slight edge to jin at the moment, but i'm patient and willing to hear a little more . . .
nice gentlemanly match -- nice to see no one crying foul or cjust plain crying like a baby.
Thank you, gentlemen. It's nice to know I'm not getting shut out here. Let's see if I can pick up a few more. Obviously I'm partisan here, bu Digi is correct, Benedict is Godlike in a fight and not getting enough respect. Benedict could fight Taskmaster for a week and never use the same move twice.
I'll first post some pics from Dreadstar comics so y'all can place his attacks in some better context. He could flay the flesh from Kahuna's bones just like that sentinal killed Wolverine on that famous X-Men Cover. Second, a physics lesson will be in order. I admire Jinzin's pluck for not wanting to fall into my clutches, (so to speak) but he's spouting some serious misinformation about the way falling with regaurds to gravity, drag, projectiles, and momentum. I'll do my best to correct this you all can see that his avoiding my attack is ludicrous.
About to eat dinner now, expect lots of little posts throughout the evening, instead of one or two huge ones, starting within the hour.
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OK, We'll start with Dreadstar's First appearance, albeit from off-panel. Here he is pulling off a standing pistol shot piercing one guy's head and another guy's heart in one shot.
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Here he is at the end of his original arc. He and the sorcerer in the background are buying time while the three chosen ones fire up the superweapon to blow up the Mily Way rather than let it be conquered by interplanetary genocidal strip-miners that've been slowly ruining things for millennia. Note that he's blocking multaple energy bolts while returning fire.
A note about these Radium Lasers. They fire radiation beams instead of light, and induce fatal radiation poisoning in a matter of hours. Vanth survived one thanks to his healing factor, but he was in a fevered coma for weeks. Kahuna's factor is many times better, I imagine he'll beat it in hours and never loose conciousness. Fighting it out should tax him though. If this were too turn into a looong battle. TBK won't be quite so light on his feet. Not to worry though, he'll be blasted out of the sky long before that would come up.
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Here's a pic from the first issue of Dreadstar. At this point Vanth has been living as a farmer in a new galaxy for several years. He comes across a boulder too big even for him to lift. So he manifests his sword for the first time in years, and reduces the bolder to gravel. This was without any sort of powerup.
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Here's another pic from the same issue, where months after his adopted home's destruction in a decades-spanning war, he's gathered a band of freedom fighters to end the conflict. At this point Vath's been doing plenty of blocking and blasting. In fact he's in space here after blasting his way out through the outer hull of a spacestation he was looting. Allso note that his armor is vacuum worthy.
The Big Kahuna could not survive a blast like this. Even if we grant that Venom's symbiote will put the pieces back together enough for Creed's healing factor to save him, the "ragged pieces of charred mead and tendril hanging from adamantium bones" periodwill count as a win for Dreadcrawler. This is the same standard we're applying to the vampires and such after all.
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Vanth is also an awesome close-in dodge-and-brawler. Of note is that he's doing this after having been clocked in the back of the head by a cyborg he thought was an ally, tortured for hours, electrocuted, and shot twice. This is all starting from a normal human body. This is the slowest dude in my amalgam. Still wonder about my guy avoiding BK's attacks? And, yes. Vanth collapses the building on top of the guy
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Special bonus pic for anyone who think's Taskmaster's unbeatable:Cap knocking him off a building with his "ain't seen that before, Tasky" enegy shield.
Now I love Taskmaster. His mini-series ruled. I've been a TM fan all the way back to the second comic I ever bought,Avengers #223 . In this issue, Taskmaster gets his school broken up and driven away by Hawkeye and Ant-Man II. Think about that for just a moment. Not the whole team, just those two. They had zero prep, and Taskmaster was in his HQ with his goonsquad. He still couldn't take them down. He got away, and I love him for it. But he couldn't manage to beat these two low-powered heroes, one of whom he could already copy. (You can find an issue summary at Avengers Forever. Just pick the title and issue from the menus.)
Jiinzin's got Taskmaster in his amalgam, not Fanboy-Taskmaster. Remember the difference.
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No! The BW images are from the [u]Metamorphosis Odyssey[/b] short stories that were serialized in Epic Illustrated (Marvel's attempt to emulate the success of Heavy Metal). The color images are from Dreadstar's own comic issues one and ten. Dreadstar didn't get a powerup of any sort until issues 15 and 16, wherin the sword is shattered by a sustained attack on the blade itself by a cosmic level sorcerer, and Vanth's magician buddy fuses the essence of the blades magic with Vanth's body and soul to save his life from all the aging that was suddenly catching up with him. He later powers back down again after another 15 issues or so.
Fisrt, there will be no gliding on a moonlit night in the frozen north. Gliders rely on rising warm air "thermals" to provide lift. While common along coasts, deasert canions, and the concrete jungle; no such air masses will be found above tundra or permafrost. The best Big Kahuna can hope for is a parachute type drop.
Second, there's the falling issue. Ben Dreadcrawler ported Big Kahuna two miler/10660 feet/3200 meters inti the air. Air drag will limit his fall speed to around 50meters/second. This figure is a bit slower than the terminal velocity for a normal person, but he's a got a lot more drag (being all furry andl tendrilly). Do the math, this will take him over a minute to fall with a maximum speed in that range. If he makes himself bullet shaped, he could fall faster. But if he lets gravity really accelerate him like that it'd be suicidal. I'll spare you the algebra, but if he goes for a bullet/raindrop shape, that adamantium skeleton of his will rip clean through his body/symbiote when he either impacts or tries some sort of last minute drag-chute type trick. Wolvie survived the helicarrier jump (which was from far less than 10000' as people were talking on deck rather than wearing breathing aparatus and parkas) because he was only falling at around 125miles per hour. "Bullet Kahuna" could get 3-4 times that fast at impact. Several dosen pounds or so of adamantium trying to stop in a hurry is many, many times more energy than the machinegun blasts and such that We've seen Venom stop by concentrating his symbiote. On top of this, an impact like that would liquify his brain against the front of his skull. Again, Creed with the symbiote could regenerate from that eventually, but this would still give Ben Dreadcrawler a win by count-out.
Finally there's this concept of shooting from these heights. Gravity will indeed pull bullets down with enough force to do damage (not that small arms could penetrate Vanth's armor in any case, but we'll go with it for now). There's no earthly way however that they could be targetted effectively over these distances and times. A bullet doesn't have enough momentum to continue in a remotely straight line over these distances (note that aircraft weapons have bullets bigger than bratwurst with higher muzzle velocities and they still aren't very acurate at these ranges). Add in friction, and those bullets will have fallen to sub-sonic speeds by the time the hit the ground: drifting even more and loosing the energy required to pierce B.D.'s armor on the miraculous occasion that one might hit him.
Webbing will similarly be useless because the webs greater surface area in relation to their mass give them a much higher drag coeficcient than does Big Kahuna himself. Their terminal velocity (maximun falling speed) is much lower than TBK's, They would lookl a lot like when you spit out of a moving car (though the situation isn't exactly the same).
As far as the energy shield goes, once Kahuna does get into range, and this is a fairly short range weapon, B.D. could absorb a slow-moving energy attack like that with his sword without even thinking about it.
My plan isn't ignoring Kahuna's options. The options that Jinzin thinks he has weren't really there at all.
If he free-falls, I nail him as I first described. If he bullet-dives, he's down for the count. If he parachutes, he cant dodge like he usually can, and I'll cut him apart at my leasure. There will be no gliding, beyond what a rectangular chute could do.
Behold Benedict's superior tactical mind in action. By skillful tactics, I've maneuvered the fight such that my physically superior-opponent can do nothing but get nailed.
Anyone care to change their votes now?
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Spiderman can dodge wonderfully, but not when he cant push or pull against anything to change his velocity. TBK has no leverage in this situation, thus he can do nothing but tumble around his center of mass while moving in a "shoot me" constant direction
Also, your guy also has only slightly better speed and reflexes, my skill advantage more than overcomes this.
Finally, Taskmaster's shield is waaaayyyy underpowered to stop Vanth's sword. The red guy in the pic up above had a personal force field that was far above Shield/AIM tech, and Vanth eventually battered through it with a few good hits in a row. Here's a pic showing what Vanth does to most energy shields that don't have a spaceship engine backing them. Note the splitting-in-two.
G'night all.
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you not only need to hit me first... but you also need to get past that shield... and now I got two healing factors working simultaniously.... radiation poisioning's already proven to be a non-factor against logan, and sabes has a better healing factor than THAT.... don't know how it would effect the symbiote...but in the end this is all IF you hit me in the first place... IF you got past my energy shield.. IF my photgraphic reflexes didn't pick up on your movements, and IF my reflex speed wasn't altered to ridiculous extents... fact is.. you are not going to hit me with that thing...if you do chances are it's cause I'm already in close.. if that's the case.. it's already too late for your boy....
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is this supposed to be impressive? to a guy with both the strength of venom and enhanced sabretooth?
sabretooth BEFORE his enhancements leveled a tree and a boulder like that....and that was back when he was still being stuck stat wise as a peak human...
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I can't take that? again, shriek full on blasted venom (the same attack that leveled.....LEVELED I SAY a wherehouse, and it was a continous blast......also what kind of damage exactly do you think a juggernaught punch can inflict?
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taskmaster did nearly the same damn thing at the end of his mini, given nearly the same circumstances as well.... funny eh?
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the same taskmaster that took down a team of avengers including captain marvel?
the same taskmaster that made the black tarantula look like a rank amateur?
the same taskmaster than now has his own energy shield to which he's now incorporated those moves...
the same taskmaster that admittedly is a lot tougher now than he was when he "had the cape"? THAT taskmaster?
anywho..the point is..and I think you're missing it... between my venom, and sabes I should already be winning any hand to hand fight that me and you get into.... now the fact that I have tm on my amalgam just means that sooner or later IF you put up any sort of decent fight for some reason, you soon won't...period....instead you will find I now have your fighting ability and things are getting worse and worse for ya...
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then I suppose you are totally unaware of spektra gliders...made specifically for this type of environment... or glider-possums which have adapted for more of the same.... I can glide just fine thank you very much...
hmmm I thought you were only allowed to port a mile... but I just read back a page and you did put 3,200 km which I missed earlier... interesting... the funny thing about this theory is that you assume that IF anything goes wrong with me or my body I'll be helpless....IF I use the bullet theory..(which was just me throwing out options btw)... and it becomes a hinderance to me instead of a help... whatdyaknow... I can just.................................................
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i know my own body better than anyone else, I know when something does not feel right... I can stop at any time of my choosing... I can descend however I please.... also the skull thing...again... you're dealing with someone that can take juggy punches to the head and hulk punches to the head and just get up laughing...chances are my brain is going to be fine.... my muscles are also stronger than steel cables... it's going to be hard for that skeleton to simply slip out of my body epsecially since it's not really THAT heavy... and finally as I said my symbiote can act as a cussion when I come towards the ground both slowing me down and softening the impact... I'm not worried.. nor am I koed..but thanks for comin out...
the bullets are not meant to kill you..even wound you...just keep you moving....keep you alert....keep you from preping for my arrival.. I think that'll work just fine....with my superior vision, my years of military training, and my bullseye precise aiming skills I'll do just what I'm intending to with those bullets...which is keep you on the move and unfocused...
the webbing is if I'm not in freefall or bulleting down towards you... obviously my own weight would overtake the webbing itself, well I thought it was obvious which is why i didn't comment on it.....guess I was wrong.......... anywho... it should be noted however that I can streamline my webbing tight enough to peirce clothing and cut skin while retaining it's adhesiveness...... meh... again that's just one option I can go with if I need you off my back for my descent....(which again though i feel is obvious) will only really come into play when I'm within your throwing range...
your sword absorbs energy eh? I'll keep that in mind....
to which I've already made multiple counters.....to a weapon which might i add will do hardly anything if anything at all....
only if I'm a complete idiot and ignore my body, or don't use my symbiote to cusion and slow the fall....or lose my comic book attributes which have allowed my characters ON THEIR OWN to take far worse....
like I said before I won't need to.. I can just glob webbing down your way sending the grenades right back at ya.. they'll never reach me....
and yes I can glide if I so choose...
by what? your pathetic flashbangs? the same one's I webbed back at you... the same one's I webbed to your hand?
or are you reffering to the sword... once again.. first off you have to hit me.....second off I'm not NEARLY impressed with the damage that it's doing...again...2 of my 3 guys have taken faaaaaarrrrrrr worse damage than that ON THEIR OWN and simply smiled at it.....and finally I'm gonna web that damned sword and launch it into the treeline as soon as I get near you... or web your hand to a tree, or web your face... or web you and yank you into a tree...
behold... you still ain't doing jack to me...I wasn't in as much trouble as you thought in the air..and yes I did have options.. executing whatever ones where the best for the presented situation... now I'm on the ground and closing in fast while dodging your blasts.... i wonder how that neck of yours is going to handle adamantium claws moving in double time..... hmmmmm
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"damn jinzin, you're a real trooper, you provde fact after fact and pages and pages of proof and these wanton miscreants just keep at it"~MERC
to a guy with both the strength of venom and enhanced sabretooth? 
then I suppose you are totally unaware of spektra gliders...made specifically for this type of environment... or glider-possums which have adapted for more of the same.... I can glide just fine thank you very much...
