Firstly, can't Magneto tank atomic blasts?
Secondly, Magneto has ripped people apart at molecular levels by demagnetizing their atoms (AoA)
Finally, Collossus overcoming Magneto was nothing short of PIS. But I guess that's a little off topic.
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Hulk got iron in his blood. Magneto can create insanely powerful forcefields (having taken attacks from Thor), he could easily keep Hulk at bay while he messes with his brain, using the iron. Hulk might heal from a lot of damage, but he won't heal from his BRAIN getting stabbed and messed with by iron inside of his skull. Magneto could also choke Hulk by using metal to fill his airways (some of Magneto's suit is made of metal).
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Tough battle reading up on both characters they have lows and highs. Both have things they can do but don't do cause it just makes them boring (to powerful to believe)
Just hoping to clarify. I noticed that people argued a lot of stupid points like the long winded colossus thing which is actually fair. I'll make this clear Colossus IS NOT MADE OF "METAL" alright? He is made of "ORGANIC METAL" which is organic matter which takes on the aspects of metal. The greatest possible reason the magnetism might not work is because non existent organic metal could have its molecules changing and reforming to challenge magentos magnetism thus making his body non magnetic, its not a story of power vs power its just physics.
I also read a few dozen excuses about Magneto getting tired. Well its been referenced that he may literally live on magnetic energy, he don't even get hungry. So each time the earth moves even a tick it produces more then enough electromagnetic energy for Magneto to live off of for the next 100billion years (doubt hes immortal but he aint getting tired if he don't want to)
The hulk is strong and gets stronger if he needs to since moving a mountain with strength is just comic bollix its not impossible to say he couldn't move planets either. We know Magneto can move planets, he and his clone done that a couple times. So it would be a tough numbers game. When you get down to it the versatility on Magnetos powers isn't just metal and weight its almost control of physics. Hulk can't move if there is no gravity ergo he can't touch magneto. And we all know Magneto won't sit there and trade punches with the hulk. Magneto also has heightened awareness due to the above battery thing. So Hulk probably won't catch him off guard.
Hulk can smash magneto, thats all he can do he can't shoot lasers. Maybe sound and pressure waves or tossing mountains but thats about it. Magneto on the other hand can shred him on a molecular level. Magneto can blast him with almost any type of radiation he wants. Electrocute him he can control light waves blinding the hulk so sight is gone. I referenced the gravity so sight and movement are gone.
Hulks blood is green is a useless excuse it doesn't mean he has no metal in his blood it just means their may be more of another chemical that causes the color to change, maybe sulfur or copper but iron is necessary. Another thing is the bodies energy you know the thing that makes you live the electricity. Thats electromagnetic so controlling heart rate, brain waves, neurons all optional.
So if both were tippy top I would have to hand it to Magneto cause everything about the two says thats what would happen. If it was a fight and I mean A FIGHT magneto hands down.
If it was a comic of the two fighting not just top power vs top power then I would say it would be a hell of a fight. And at that point I think the hulk would win cause hes just majorly badass (they both are) and would smash the defenses magneto fights with.
Real fight Winner: Magneto
Comic fight Winner: Probably Hulk
You may be forgetting what the Hulk can do, and how hard it would be for Magneto to stop him in any way short of brfing him into space. If BFR is off I think that Magneto would be crushed. Sebastian Shaw took Magneto on and stalemated with him. I don't see Shaw as being as big of a threat as the Hulk. Not by a country mile.
I don't think that situation is even relevant. Shaw and Hulk aren't even close to the same person. And that Magneto is not even remotely the same as the Magneto in the comics.
Thats the same situation where the fight is determined out of entertainment. The fight in mind of Magneto REALLY fighting the Hulk no limiters no situational advantage no poor examples is that Magneto simply has the advantage. Hulk is awesome but Magneto is just is not the kind to fight against in that way. Its even been referenced several times that Magneto may very well have no limits just that exceeding his physical constraint harms him. So he could do EVEN more if he truly had to which I don't think is even necessary. Its a closer fight in a comic situation but if its just A FIGHT then nothing shows in Hulks favor aside from poor examples and references to weaker Magnetos.
Did you think that I was talking about X-Men First Class the Movie? No no no. Mageto and Shaw actually have fought in a comic, and it turned into a stalemate. Shaw is a tank like battler, which is his powerset. This is the reason that I brought him up in comparison to the Hulk. Shaw's powerset allows him to tank huge amounts of damage, while the Hulks powerset allows him to do the same. I seriously doubt that Magneto could do anything to stop the Hulk from crushing him, and bursting through his shields, short of BFR.
You need to be reminded of what the Hulk did to Onslaught, and also keep in mind that we can't use arguments like "his potential" to prove a solid point. Either he has or hasn't. The Hulk has cracked a dimesional wall by hitting it. Magneto would be on the defensive, and would need to BFR the Hulk, flee, or be overcome.
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No not just the movie obviously just the fact that Shaw and Hulk are inescapably different. The situation could be mildly similar but ho they operate is still entirely different.
AGAIN their fighting in comics is allways highly situational for entertainment but when you get down to what they can do no holds bar. It becomes a little more obvious. If I was to search out weaknesses or situational fails of ANY character then ANY other character could beat them no sweat. Thats exactly how reference to Shaw is, its situational weakness not example of top vs top.
Top vs Top non comic setting is when you pull what they would do if it WASN'T for your entertainment. If it wasn't for the fans and all that then yea Magneto just has to much he can do. Hulk can just smash even Shaw can do more then that. Bet Shaw could woop Hulk at that point.
Do you know what the Hulk can do in a setting that it's just him in a universe with his opponent, and he is willing to go to any length to win? I really doubt that Magneto would have a chance, Remember Onslaught? Have you read Hulk 634? Poor Magneto. And the Hulk is not just limited to smashing with his fist, he can and has used energetic assaults. You can't just imagine things that are outside of Magnetos range of capabilities. Asteroid M was likely his best feat, and this is far below the power that the Hulk has recently displayed.
Your again taking comic fight references between things entirely different. And pretty sure moving planets takes the cake. Magneto has I believe shown inter dimensional prowess involving his wormholes. You can keep referencing weaknesses or situational fights that don't make sense but this thread is not Magneto vs someone else who fought someone else who fought etc etc on a plethora of situations. its Top Mags VS Top hulks straight up face off.
No special handicaps, no situational BS or poor reference just what they can do and what they can't do. And Mag can do things that just one up how their abilities work against the other.
If you want to go that way, and your basically saying that both characters are not holding anything back, then I'm saying that the Hulk would murder Magneto. If you think that Magneto wins, then that's your opinion. Using prior feats is what we do here, because it allows us to gauge what the character can do, and not do. Magneto has a limit, and until you or anyone else can prove otherwise, that is how it is. You can't simply make the character into something that they aren't because it's what you want to do, it doesn't work that way.
Feats are a concrete medium of measurement, so no it isn't an option to completely do away with what they could do, and could not do in a comic.
Never once said it was. In anyway. Heck I could simply say Magneto blasts Hulk with radiation turning him back into Bruce then impales him.
Story end. There is a plethora of ways they could kill each other or defend each other. But referring how hulk beat onslaught who beat Magneto is like rock paper scissors dude. Just cause rock beats scissors and scissors beats paper DOES NOT MEAN ROCK BEATS PAPER (although it should)
When you get down to it only what they can and can't do then its much easier to figure out. Their bad ass but what Magneto can do and what Hulk can do are two different things. What onslaught can do and what Magneto can do are two different things. What the Hulk can do and britanny spears are two different things... I think. But what Magneto can do VS what Hulk can do its game over in straight up head vs head it would be easier to figure out. Comic vs comic idea is that Hulk would win cause that is how an epic battle would ensue and thats why comics sell.
Hulk is strong but Mags can control several basic physcics as seen in several comics. Unified field theory=game set match. not fair but the fight dosn't have to be fair.
Not going to happen, the Hulk has complete control of his transformations these days. Red Hulk was unable to do this, as was Arm'Cheddon. Magneto's only way out is to either remove the Hulk from the field of combat (BFR) or flee. In an no holds barred, take it up to the limits battle, Magneto is turned to dust. Now it's game set and match.
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Why? Cause the hulk is hulk? In the end hes blood and fully attackable. I haven't seen a reference yet that directly has any greater chance against Magneto then against a normal person. and Magneto ain't normal, he won't just sit there and be a punching bag but Hulk sure will.
Magneto dosn't need to toss mountains or punch dude. Just stop his heart, control his brain, hit him with radiation, toss him in space, remove his movement or sight or both. Tear him in two on a molecular level, don't think healing factor helps.
What can Hulk do to stop that? And even if we was powerful hes not instantly powerful last I checked it seems to take him a while to build up. Magneto could just flick him aside the moment the fight starts. dont think it would ever last long enough for A) Magneto to get tired or B) For hulk to get strong enough to do anything powerful enough to win.
But your right your opinion and mine aren't the same. But I don't think that matters at this point. Both wicked characters but its a rock paper scissors.
You don't know do you? You need to read what the Hulk is capable of these days. The Hulk doesn't need to touch Magneto either, the energy that was recently pouring out of him turned several Herald level characters to dust. It's not because he's the Hulk bro, it's just that when he isn't holding back, a guy like Magneto just wouldn't stand a chance. You realize that the Hulk moves several times faster than Magneto can right? Not talking flight speed, but combat speed. The Hulk isn't a slouch in the speed department. Yeah you may need to do some detective work on the Hulk, before you make such claims.
Onslaught while not Magneto, would still kill him with relative ease. meanwhile the Hulk tore him out of that suit. The Hulk that did that to Onslaught was made to look like a feeb compared to what he's done recently.
Kitty Pryde phased him into the ground, and that didn't stop him, the Vision tried to mess with him on the molecular level, that didn't work.
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