Of course it's JUST theory...in real life. That's not we are discussing here is it? It is fictional character vs fictional character. Magneto is the personified version of the Unified Field Theory. Hulk is a man that was trnsformed from a man into the personification infinite strength, using radiation. NEITHER of which is possible in real life. You make your own argument crumble with "pleeeease, this cannot be proven, hence it is a "theory"" Take that shit to kindergarden.
Me and Magneto win, both you and Hulk lose. I'm done here, you obviously won't change your mind, and I'm getting tired of repeating myself. And yes, this was the most arrogant statement I have ever made in my life, and you can take it that way.
well...physics is physics and there is no 'theories' in physics that are facts. none. this includes the unified theory your talking about. maybe in fiction it can happen if you have anal writers that dont know better. but in real life, physics are based on facts NOT theories.
there is two cool books called the science of superheroes and the science of super villains. they bothe came out very recently. the 1st one the science of spuerheroes, won many award a couple years ago. it explains away all the things like for example " if super man can hold up an entire building, how come the building doesnt simply just fall apart" kinds of questions. it is veeery well thought out so ive read. i am in the process of obtaining either of the two books. the later, supervillain one has a basic theories of M and the STRING theory.
i like it when the stuff i read is intelligent. marvel hasnt always been true, but from what i hear, these books are really the ones to get to really have any kind of hard evidence to back up either one of our arguments.
in my opinion, i think that the hulks power can over come any beings force in marvel's universe. especially magneto, since there are so many more powerful beings in the marvel universe that hulk has battled throughout his prolific career that are much more powerful beings than mags, that magneto really doesnt stand a chance , alone.
if marvel did decide to write a comic book story in which hulk and magneto somehow fight, the motivation would obviously be money. (which is just like marvel), and they would hype up the match too.
so that is proly the main reason why they never fought before, because it wouldnt be a good fight and no money for marvel.
your arguement that it would not be a good fight because magneto would decimate hulk and hulk is no match, is no good because if there was really someone out there in the MAIN marvel universe that could possibly beat the hulk but for some unkown reason has not yet fought the hulk, then that would be a seller...and marvel for sure would have written that one.
the fact of the matter is...that marvel never wrote this one because hulk's power is so missed match with mags that hulk would inadvertantly kill magneto's frail human body...and no one wants to see one of the coolest mutant villains of all time die...and not even by the hands of another powerful mutant or x-man.
this is why, simply put, the hulk would smash magneto.
in the marvel universe of course...mags as a much better chance in another parallel universe or interdimensional realm of some kind. or with out help.
now if mags got some help...then he would have a fighting chance...and in marvel's universe, he would most definetely call upon charles xavier and his x-men for help against the hulk. and we all know that. its elementary.
and you know marvel would name the series 'the death of magneto' or some 'money making' title like that.
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there are dozens of ways that magneto can kill people. which is anywhere form levitating a knive at them to crushing them by altering the earth's magnetic fields
oh man you are a genius, of course itīs impossible, and of course that the fact that hulk trough gamma radiation exposure, didnīt died isnīt?
i donīt care if he is mutant or not, banner should have died with such exposure, but he didnīt he became the hulk why? because he was mutant? NO because itīs a comic book.
Wow. Do you even know what fiction is? I'm tired of posting links to prove you wrong. Go look it up. In fiction, ANYTHING is possible(not "maybe"), and it's not due to anal writers. An example of an anal writer would be someone who contradicts his own rules, or some stupid shit like that.
Magneto is very powerful because he can control lots. Hulk is powerful because he has nuclear strength. Does no one listen? Zappy bolty things will fail, due to the hulks incredible endurance. Nobody knows whether the hulk has enough metal in him to kill him. He can smash out of big oil tankers. Saying that he'd just use gamma radiation is like saying that he'd use kryptonite against superman; unlikely that he'd know.
Don't ignore basic logic. Magneto's power is large. Hulk's is focused. He can bloody leap across bloody planes if Magneto throws him away. Think about those things whilst posting arguements.
I said I was done here, but I need to get this out. Here, I'm going to make a proof for you.
Statement
1. All matter has positive and negative particles, Protons and electrons, respectively.
Reason
1. This is proven scientific fact.
Statement
2. Protons and electrons(as well as the rest of the atom) are held together by electromagnetic force.
Reason
2. This is proven scientific fact.
Statement
3. Magneto controls electromagnetism and all related energies.
Reason
3. This is a fact. Given by Marvel, the company that created Magneto.
Statement
4. Magneto can control protons and electrons.
Reason
4. Magneto controls electromagnetism.
Statement
5. Multiple atoms are held together by electromagnetism.
Reason
5. This is proven scientific fact.
Statement
6. Magneto can control all matter.
Reason
6. Magneto controls protons and electrons through electromagnetism.
Proof: Magneto controls all matter.
What's so unbelievable? I used logic, and ONLY logic to come up with all of what Magneto can potentially do. I have never once pulled a power for Magneto out of my ass. Magneto may have to be at his full potential power-wise to do some of the things I have stated, but nothing is out of his grasp.
Ok, that's it. I'm officialy done here, I'm not coming back to this thread to debate any longer.
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yea...it a bit of a stretch...dont you think?
alot if...then's,... if ya know what i mean.
since electromegnetism, really, is such
a fundamental part of our 'wroking' universe...
that according to yoru statements, magneto has the power to blow up stars, create galaxies and black holes, as well as split atoms, and literally controll molecules. if magneto has such 'godlike' powers, then why does he have such a hard time reaching his goal of enslaving the earth with humans? if magneto is really as strong as you SUGGEST!, then why does mags have SUCH A HARD time with the x-men?
He ignores me again! Let me give you a power sample. Electromagnetism holds stuff together. Nuclear breaks it apart. It is "splitting" the atom. Magneto holds stuff up. Hulk breaks it.
Next, look at Magneto's control. He finds controlling large things easier than small things, or he'd just atomize Xavier's mansion. He uses metal. His control isn't stretched to the atomic level with ease.
Look, regardless of the power of electro magnetism, Nuclear power wins. It has destroyed cities, powered cities and more. Magneto can build a city, isn't powerful enough to power a city, and more. He loses.
You want the simple answer? The writing. It isn't exciting if Magneto was a god all the time. I'd love to see a writer show Magneto at his full power, but it will never happen because, just like Superman, he'd be TOO powerful, and everyone will hate him. That, and some writers just don't know the extent of his power.
I ignored you because your statement has nothing to do with this fight. If Hulk could manipulate nuclear energy like in your examples, then I'd acknowledge you. Since Hulk only uses his power for feats of pure physical strength, i.e. punching/throwing something, then your argument has absolutely no rellevance.
Oh by the way, electromagnetism attracts AND repels. In laymans terms, it pulls stuff together, and pulls stuff apart. So you are wrong on that count too.
Goodday! And may logic hit you like a ton of bricks.
Thanks for noticing me, i thought there had been a mass lock out.
I admit that Magneto's powers are great. But, the hulk uses nuclear in a different way to Magneto, and can certainly hold his own. You say, Magneto can wipe out a forest; you tell how he built a city. But you ignored what the hulk can do. He breaks out of anything, and could bound across planes for round two. The weakest hulk, grey hulk, can smash an asteroid twice the size of earth. Forgetting Magneto's ability to flick away missiles, could he survive them like the hulk does?
The hulk is like a nuclear missile, like an antimatter bomb. He punches with atomic force. After seeing what you wrote, it's clear that my original image of hulk bounding up to magneto, flicking aside an oil tanker, and smashing his shield with one punch isn't going to work. But, at his very peak, Magneto is going to have a fight worse than the entire X-Force (everyone from Xavier to that ice kid) combining assault on him.
One final question. Did I say that it only attracts? If you misinterpreted my quote of you, that Electro-magnetism holds atoms together, or you see something I don't, fine. If you made it up to bulk up your argument, you are an annoying prat.
Here it is: "Ytaker - Electromagnetism holds stuff together. Nuclear breaks it apart."
Where did you say that electromagnetism also breaks stuff apart? Oh, that's right, you didn't. I didn't assume anything, you just didn't say it.
Do you forget that Magneto released an EMP 423,333 times greater than the largest humans have ever created(a nuclear weapon)? Did you also forget that asteroids are usually made up of iron, nickel, copper, and MANY various types of other metals? Please, Magneto can control an asteroid in his ****ing sleep. You also say that Hulk can bound across planes for round two...how many rounds and matches are you expecting these characters to have? This fight is on the basis of one round, one match. Like the NFL playoffs.
Oi, another point, Magneto's power is GLOBAL SCALE, not UNIVERSAL. His power is usually kept inside the earth's atmoshpere, or inside orbit. This is why he can't simply create whatever he likes(like what's-his-name's example, asking why Magneto can't create stars and move galaxies or some ridiculous shit like that). He really isn't a god. He can't actually create anything, but he manipulates whatever he wants. The only thing holding him back is his stamina.
If Hulk didn't simply get bored from being pushed away all the time, and did eventually get his hands on Magneto's body, Magneto would lose. But it would never come to that.
I can't figure out why I can't just leave this thread and be done with it. Oh, I know now, I have to point out all your(hulk supporters in general) flaws.
Look, you seem to be getting into a bit of a huff. Take a deep breath and calm down. I'll explain why some of your points are valid, and some aren't. Then, like civilised human beings we can discuss it.
1. As I said, I was quoting you who continually said EM held atoms together, in that nuclear broke atoms apart. It maybe wasn't a perfect answer, but it should be clear after I actually explain it.
2. I wouldn't say his power was on a nuclear scale, as he needed that recharge guy to help him beat those robots. I don't know how he could release a blast that powerful on his own steam. Next, yes but I was quoting it to show hulks power to break a giant rock, and force the shards away from earth (where they'd kill everyone). Even Magneto might have a problem forcing that to break. Next, in the NFL, if somebody forced you back a second away, you could still play, couldn't you?
Skipping out the next paragraph as I agree
4. Magneto would have trouble pushing hulk back. Hulk might get to something like 2000 tons very soon, and be able to walk through any energy. He's smaller than big things that magneto has moved.
I have an idea- I'll loan those super hero and super villian books that explain how, from the library, and give you a few quotes. Should make this easier.
when are people gonna realize that the hulk is merely empowered by nuclear energy and not able to wield it? you know which charcters have a direct link with nuclear energy, Captain Atom, Major Force, Human Torch, Wonder man.these guys can even wield it(except fot wonder man).
(whines)"but if magneto can do all this that stuff with EM that means he should be able to blow up stars"
not necessarily, he would have to be at his peak, plus have something to amplify his power, like when he had forge build him such a device. besides we're not talking about if he can blow up stars or not. the hulk is no freaking star.
depending on how knowledgable you are of magneto's comic book history, he once transported all the citizens of Genosha into outer space, in about 6 or 7 gigantic space pod thingies. another time he corraled an asteroid, and made it his home in space, gave it a partial atmosphere and everything. he even maintained control over it while he was away.
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