Dumbledore lives,for one apart from at the bottom of the tower when do we ever see Dumbledores body at the funeral?! Alot of theories that the green liquid is the Draught of Living Death or something like that, so couldn't Dumbledore have been sleeping at that point, also the chapter Pheonix Laments, the Phoenix tears have healing powers so couldn't Fakwes have been trying to resucitate him, which is why it cried for so long?! I think Dumbledore will remain dead to everyone but Snape until, Harry meets Snape then the truth will come out!
I think Dumbledore dying in the end of the book was a load of crap seeing as Dumbledore was one of the main characters through all of the books. My step brother and I are wondering what the seventh book will be about get back to me if u have any information on this.
i think dumbledore dying was unavoidable, come to think of it how else would harry spread his wings. he needs to get out there sometimes, and if they just keep protecting him, he can't do what he has too. he usually has the right idea about what is going on but everybody he talks to keep ignoring his points, now that there really isn't anyone to really talk to he can do what he thinks is right.
Actully, I personally dont care if hes dead or not, Harry needed 2 learn 2 cope w/o him. Besides it hurt WAY more when Sirius died than Dumbledor. But all that aside, yes i do belive hes dead.
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I think that Snape is on Dumbledore's side instead of Voldemorts. Whenever Dumbledore pleaded to Snape, it was for him to kill him. Dumbledore knew that at this point, when he has taught Harry everything he needs to know, that Snape was more important in the battle to defeat Voldemort. If snape wouldn't have killed Dumbledore then Snape would have died because of the unbreakable vow that he made with Narcia Malfoy. And if Snape would have died, then they wouldnt have anymore spies for Voldemort and they wouldn't be able to find out what he's doing as easily. Dumbledore's death by Snape also "proved" to the death eaters watching that he was on Voldemort's Side.
i agree with Henrik1991, on the other hand you never know what might happen in the 7th book. But i think dumbledore is now dead, BUT
remember that portraits can talk, so dumbledore will still be able to give Harry advice.
DD is def. dead. Dead Dead Dead...he can't get any deader or any un-deader. Well that wat I think anyway
Snape..is he evil? I have nooo idea. Tho I think there is a lot more to the whole him killing DD n being evil n stuff then wat we have be shown so far.
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i think that DD is dead now but he planed it.. if he is the most powerfull wizard he could have unarmed Draco before Draco unarmed DD. duh but DD sacraficed his life for snape... snape made the unbreadable vow so that means it would have killed Snape if Snape did not kill DD, when DD said no dont in the book he knew Snape wasent going to kill him, and him saying no was just telling snape that snape is a valuable spi to voldy and the good guys cant afford to loose him.... if snape was such a bad person when harry was chaseing after him he would of killed harry... and he also stoped harry from using an unforgiveable curse... it all makes since.... i think
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i cried when i read dumbledore's death scene. however, i have since reread the whole series, and i do not believe that dumbledore is dead. the theory that dumbledore asked snape to kill him is all well and good, but why? why should snape kill dumbledore when snape could just as easily pretend to kill dumbledore, leaving dumbledore alive and able to continue his work against voldemort without having to take care of hogwarts (since everyone believes he is dead, there will obviously be a new headmaster/mistress) or continue to help harry? not to mention that dumbledore would be able to operate much more easily if voldemort and the death eaters believed him dead. i firmly believe that dumbledore froze harry on the tower not to protect him (as someone has said in this forum already, harry could have taken draco, especially with draco so scared of what he was supposed to do) but to prevent him from interfering in his "death scene" which had been carefully planned out with snape. i don't think anyone has mentioned dumbledore's big speech to draco about how the order (the "right side") could hide him so completely that he needn't fear voldemort. "'he cannot kill you if you are already dead. come over to the right side, draco, and we can hide you more completely than you can possibly imagine. what is more, i can send members of the order to your mother tonight to hide her likewise.'" (p.592). dumbledore even says "it is my mercy, and not yours, that matters now." if dumbledore was about to die, and he knew it, why would he be saying his mercy mattered? and if the order could hide draco, someone who had never done anything positive in the fight against voldemort, and even his mother, why could they not hide dumbledore, a figure of the utmost importance in the war against voldemort? the answer is, they could hide dumbledore, they could make everyone believe he was dead, and that's exactly what they did. snape is not evil; even as he was running from the school, he was helping harry and giving him advice: "blocked again and again and again until you learn to keep your mouth shut and your mind closed, potter!" (p. 603). he's trying to help harry to know what he needs to work on before facing voldemort. one thing that struck me was how angry snape was at being called a coward. imagine being in his position, risking your life every day to help the cause you believed in, to help rid the world of voldemort, all the while educating and protecting ungrateful students, orchestrating a huge fake death, keeping your true thoughts hidden from the most evil wizard of all time at huge personal risk, risking making a "fake" unbreakable vow, and being called a coward. wouldn't you want to shout at the top of your lungs that you were on the good side? that you weren't a coward at all? that's why snape was so furious, in so much pain (p. 604) at being called a coward. you may have noticed i said snape made a "fake" unbreakable vow. during the process of making the vow, snape promises to watch over draco and protect him from harm with no hesitation at all. however, when narcissa asks him to "carry out the deed" if draco can't do it, his hand twitches, and he hesitates. i think this is significant. whether i'm right or not, we'll see in book seven. snape is a very good occlumens, several people say so in this book, and is a very good actor. there is no reason to believe that he and dumbledore could not have pulled off a fake death, nor is there reason to believe that they wouldn't have. while i've accepted that sirius is indeed dead, i'm hoping that book seven will see some of these dumbledore/snape theories proven. i also find the theory that dumbledore is an animagus phoenix very interesting, i'll do some thinking about that one too, now i've read it.
i think that's all of my theory for now. could somebody point me to the discussion on regulus black, how it came about that he found the horcrux, and what happened to the locket after it was found at grimmauld place?
The reason that Snape helped Draco Malfoy with his mission was because he is a spy for dumbledore. If he would've declined the unbreakable vow, then they would know for sure that he was on Dumbledores side considering bellatrix lestrange already thought he was.
good god finaly some one who thinks like i do!!!!!!!!!!! i noticed the exact same things in the book its kinda obvious that snape was helping harry i mean come on how much more obvious could it get.... he was trying to help harry and tell him to use nonverble spells..... if harry just anounces what his attack is he will loose.......... also if snape was so bad whould he have stoped harry from using an unforgiveable curse... and the who thing with DD not dead i believe think about it, it would set up for a total surprise attack...... and surprise is someones best wepon... So i think that DD went looking for the last and final horcruxes and then is going to launch an attack on the dark Lord or when harry meets the dark lord... he could protect harry....... now my words are geting twisted i beter stop
At least you know what your talking about. Snape is innocent after all and it's not that hard to see that. JK did say that there was more to Snape than meets the eye. I think that right there gives evidence to Snape's innocence.
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I personally don't think that DD is dead. I also dont think he made a Horcrux. I agree with the fact that he went flying back. I may just be hoping more than anything because i really liked DD. By the way im new. Actually just started my thingy like four minutes ago. Anywasy those are my thoughts. I have a question though any one think Ron and Hermione are gonna hook up.
Ok I think that him saying "Please" had nothing to do with killing him I don't think Snape performed the part of the vow to kill Dumbledore because just before Narcissa asks him to (in the vow) it says that his hand twitched why would Rowling give us that little bit of information. Now with that said What would be the best way to get Voldemort to come out intot he open?? If Dumbledore appeared to be gone cause we all know it's been in every book almost that the only wizard Voldemort fears is Dumbldore. I think he said please because he was making Snape return to the Dark Lord as a spy and Snape didn't want to. I could be wrong and he could be dead but it was in the book that he had an ironclad reason for trusting Snape and I just don't think him regretting what he'd done was good enough reason for Dumbldore to trust him. Well I've been dying to share that little theory even if it is wrong.
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