Wishful thinking. My E-Beams will find you. Your amaglam gives off even more energy than Dizzle's amaglam, therefore making you easier to lock onto.
Oh, keep in mind, even if my blast doesn't hit you directly, if it impacts anywhere near you, it'll disorient you since your senses are so sensitive, or possibly even knocking you up in the air and making you an even more vulnerable target.
What I meant to say is that I knew you weren't gonna stand their and take an E-beam blast. I knew you would eventually move from where you were standing, so I threw my shurikens in at you and your general area.
Keep in mind that your speed is also impeded in the sand. You can't wait till the last to minute to move or you'll be caught in the blast. Making like my character will be the only one who has a disadvantage in the sand. Pfftt...
If anything, if Dizzle won our last match, he'd have a big advantage in this environment due to that Dune character he had.
Minor pain can and will be ignored. Your making like you hit me every vital spot on my body. Pfftt..
Same can be said for you. At least one of my shurikens will hit you. Plus since you speed is impeded by the sand, even though you know the shurikens and E-beam blast are coming, your body can move fast enough to get to safe distance. Thus leaving you severely impaired or dead.
Again, the same could be said for you.
Let me see...
So when I finally hit the ground after my long ordeal in the air, I might have a few cuts and minor cauterization's. Nothing my character can't handle.
You'll either be dead or injured. Now both of us are hurt. In time, my wounds will eventually heal. You have no such luxury. You might have a small healing factor, but it sucks compared to mine.
Now, again I take aim, only thing this time, I take off running off at full speed which is about a 1/3 of what it normally is due to the sand. But still that's around 40 to 50 mph. Circling around you. Getting within 30 to 40 feet of you. At the same time, my running will kick up a whole lot of sand concealing my movements and possibly my body simultaneously blinding you.
You'll have to rely solely on your senses. Normally that wouldn't be a problem for you, but even if you sense danger, you won't be able to move fast enough to get out of the way due to the sand. PLUS... You'll be taking blind shots at me trying to his me with one of your blasts, while I can see you very clearly due to all your energy weapons that give out residual energy and your unique energy signature.. Your basically a sitting duck with a big bullseye on you. I'll be tossing shurikens and blasting you at the same time. You'll be dead in no time.
Oh, and remember parrying away my blast with your lightsaber will result in a explosion of concussive force potentially blowing your arm off or destroying your weapon(lightsaber).
Once I take out your sabers and the two arms that hold it, I'm gonna move in for the kill. I'm gonna engage you in close quarter combat. Or I could just finish you off running a diameter around you kicking up so much sand concealing my movements and blasting you with my E-Beams and tossing shurikens charged with vibratory shockwaves at you thus killing you.
Dancing on your grave to the Scooby Dooby Doo theme song...
locking on will be a problem because i have more power sources... at least 6 separate power sources that you could sense.... meaning you'd have to consciously choose which one to fire on, which may only take a second to decide... but as my plasma cannons have rapid fire capability i'll literally be raining fire down on you before you've even made that decision
why do you think my senses are enhanced?... i have peak human senses... maybe slightly beyond.... and my spider-sense certainly wont be affected by an explosion
any explosion that doesn't directly impact my armour isn't going to do the slightest bit of damage
what are your shuriken made from? either way it's not likely they'll pierce my armour... and if they do they'll just bounce off my tough alloy body
i already stated that it would impede both of us... but more for running than anything else, i live next to the beach.... it's not really any harder to pivot and move... but try running on sand... you'll be significantly slower and use up more energy
moving a few feet to dodge wont be a problem
minor pain? having your skin and muscle burned off an arm or leg will be more than sufficient to severely distract anyone... and that's not even a direct hit
shuriken are ineffectual against me, E-beam is the only thing i even need to attempt to dodge, safe distance with my armour is right next to the explosion... your only hope with that thing is a direct hit, which will be extremely difficult given my speed, spider sense and the distance your firing from
unless your legs have been burned off...
i wont be wounded...
armour + alloy skin = not being injured by your projectiles
spider sense + speed = not getting hit by the laser from the nutjob spinning in mid air
that works both ways... i can't see you, you can't see me
again, your shuriken are so ineffective that by this point, even my spider sense will be ignoring them
you can point towards me with your energy seeking thingy... but my spider sense works even in pitch black... so you still wont be hitting me... and if you try to lock on while running in a circle you'll be more likely to throw your aim off
as you're literally running circles around me and cannot see me (only sense which direction the energy is in) i can fire webbing out in two directions north/south... whatever... as you're as blind as i am you can't possibly avoid getting tangled.. which will at the very least immobilise you for a few seconds.... which is more than enough time to hit you with more impact webbing to completely immobilise you.... then i can take as long as i want carving you to pieces with my sweet lightsabers
Grievous doesn't normally try to parry lasers, he just gets out of their way.... here, with the spider sense, he'll find them even easier to avoid
don't see that happening... at least.... not with the tactics you've proposed so far
here's what'll really happen...... you'll keep throwing shuriken until you notice that i'm not even bothering to dodge them and the ones that hit do no damage and you're only left with one long range weapon... or until you run out of them
one weapon is so easy for Scarlet Spider to dodge that i'd go as far as to say that it's beneath him,whereas you'll be under constant fire from the twin rapid fire plasma cannons of one of the greatest tacticians in his galaxy... running in circles wont cut it .... now while you may be able to dodge them temporarily, when they are coupled with webbing you'll soon find yourself either trapped, burned or both
unlike your shuriken, my plasma blasts will not run out .... now might be a time for Thunderstar to think about retirement... if he wants to live that is
just to let everyone know, i'm only debating the long range game at the moment because if it gets into a close quarters match.... well.... Thunderstar wont have a leg to stand on... or arms to support himself.... but at least his neck will get a good rest... what with not having a head to support anymore
Man, so far you're doing good, but I'm not sure how far that argument is going to take you. Would taking a hit to ANY of those power sources be a good thing?
well the six i'm talking about are all located at the ends of the arms (blasters and sabers) the power source to my body will be dampened by my armours power absorption abilities.... rendering it invisible to his sensors
so with him only able to lock onto the ends of my arms it will be even easier to avoid taking a direct hit
Dampen? Worked all right with Iron Man whose armor is probably yours to the tenth power. Power dampening? Pffttt.. Your arms have bullseye's and your body is one big bullseye.
Like I said, taking out your sabers, then those wrist blasters, which will pretty much leave you defenseless and armless.
I'm gonna keep my distance until I take out an arm or two. Preferably the ones with the sabers so I could engage you in CQC, but taking out your wrist blasters will work just fine as well. Taking away your long range game.
Iron Man's armour is one huge power source... of course his suit would be difficult to conceal from a scanner... my suit is specifically designed to absorb any and all known energy sources and my highly advanced alien/cyborg body wont have much wasted power leakage as it is... so yeah... you'll be able to "see" my arms... only problem is, they move incredibly fast AND they have the spider sense to increase their reaction speed well beyond the point where they are even close to being anything remotely resembling an easy target
perhaps in offensive capability... but my armour was created by a highly advanced alien race who derived the technology from an exponentially more advanced alien race
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Has it ever occurred to you that I to can fire without the need of locking onto you? Probably not. Has it ever occurred to you that I can fire one blast after another? Probably not. I can fire pop shots off at you as well. Probably not as fast as yours but probably at least one every second. Imagine all those explosions going off around you. A direct hit wouldn't do your body so good.
The concussive force blast will surely disorient you. Even if it doesn't hit you.
Are you sure? The blast could knock you down, possibly blow your unarmored arms off, disable your wrist blasters all of which gives me a superior advantage as well as an opening to capitalize on your discomfort.
My weapons were forged on Mojo World which makes it stronger than normal since their weapons of pure combat. Alone, they probably wouldn't pierce your armor. Ahhh... But here's where my mutant power comes in. I can channel vibratory shockwaves through my swords, shurikens, and throwing blades increasing it's effectiveness, thus making it able to penetrate your armor.
Significantly slower? I already mentioned that. I used to live in Hawaii. And now I live in the deserts of northern Nevada. I know you lose some mobility, but not all of it. Like I said, I will probably be able to achieve a 1/3rd of the speed I normally attain in the sand. Which were my amaglam was running a 120 mph plus normally, My amaglam will be able to attain speeds of 40 mph plus in the sand.. Which is faster than your amaglam. Thus running circles around you is actually quite feasible.
It is if the blasts have enough punch to take out a tank as well have enough force to kill you with one blow. Don't forget:
Sand = You slower than normal
Arm or legs burned off? Probably.. If it hit me. Skin and slight sinew and muscle damage I can handle.
Can you function with a missing arm or head?
Safe distance? Are you sure that explosion won't knock you on your ass? Cause if it does, I will capitalize and fire off a couple more blasts just to make sure you die.
Again:
Speed = Nullified by the sand.. Won't be able to dodge as effectively.
Spidey sense: Works fine, but your body can't move fast enough to get out of the way due to sand.
I'll be pretty close to you when I fire my beams. If not, I'll just pop off random shots blasting sand everywhere thus blinding you while I run in to get a closer and better shot.
You legs will be burned off? No I haven't really aimed at them yet. Do you want me too?
Yes you will be missing a few appendages.
Armor + alloy skin VS. Weapons forged in Mojo World + resonating vibratory shockwaves to increase effectiveness = pierced armor and skin.
Spider sense + speed = Nullified by sand, causing you to try and react faster than your body can move. Your dead.
I CAN SEE YOU... Your armor gives off multiple bullseyes.
Ignoring them will be bad. Remember, VIBRATORY SHOCKWAVES RESONATING THROUGH SHURIKENS
Equals pierced armor and skin. Possibly dead Scarlet Cyborg.
My energy locator also works in pitch black environments also. Not to mention the E-Beam blasts I'll be shelling out, you won't have time to fire off web blasts. You'll be to busy running and dodging for your life to fire those web things off.
Remember, if your standing right next to it, this is what you'll be feeling:
Getting out of the way while your knee or ankle deep in sand impeding you natural reaction speeds to a 1/3rd of what it was?
C'mon Scoob, you know you won't be able to move fast enough. You'll probably lose a few appendages within the blast radius.
For a two time champion, you seem to lack the understanding that a direct hit as well as a near hit will severely impair your amaglam, if not kill it.
Again mutant power + Blades forged on Mojo World = pierced armor and skin. Possibly dead Cyborg.
One weapon easy to dodge? Your right. It is easy. I'll have a dandy old time dodging and parrying your blast with my main weapons. Then again, most of my shurikens and throwing blades will be in you, so that leaves me just my laser guided E and N beams. Which will be enough since you will already have lost a few appendages as well as having a few shurikens and throwing blades stuck into your body causing a master tactician much pain throwing off his tactics.
I would offer you to consider retirement, but I don't think Scarlet Fever will survive his encounter with Thunder star.
yes... but you'd miss by an even greater margin... so what would be the point?
i doubt it, Spider-Man/Scarlet Spider deal with explosions all the time... think Green Goblin, Hob Goblin, Nitro, etc.... plus Grievous has been on so many battlefields that he probably wouldn't even flinch at a near miss
not really.... the armour will absorb the energy wave from a near miss fairly easily... you'd have to score a direct hit to do any damage... that or risk close quarter combat
vibratory waves are just another form of energy that would be absorbed, and again, even if they did pierce the outer armour, they would be significantly slowed and wouldn't even scratch my body
i already covered the running around kicking up sand theory... you get webbed up then murdered... not killed... MURDERED!..... mwwwuuuhahahaha....
if you manage a direct hit to the head without me rolling with the impact it might hurt a bit... but that's the trick, isn't it.... with a Spider sense, years of combat training and being an advanced strategist you're not likely to get a clean shot... and even less likely for any clean shot to connect
you can handle a muscle being vaporised and the rest of the area cooking for an extended period?... i don't think so
arm = yes
head = i doubt it (good thing it wont be happening)
how well can you function with an arm removed?
well safe distance is a relative term... for an unprotected human it'd probably be pretty far, for an uber tough cyborg with uber tough energy absorbing armour, i'd say about a foot... maybe less
i wouldn't bet on it... Grievous's body is so bizarre and insect like that he'd probably fair a lot better on sand than a humanoid (as he can move equally well on his hands as he can on his feet)
if you're close then the blast wave will do more harm to you than it will to me ..... EAA again (going to abbreviate, as writing Energy Absorbing Armour all the time feels too damn repetitive)
EAA cancels vibratory waves, bulletproof armour stops shuriken (not that i have skin to pierce anyway)
insect-like body = greater than human movement on sand
you can't "see" me... you can only tell where the energy source is.... you can't see what i'm doing with my webbing.... or what i'm writing in the sand
now you're wondering "WTF is he writing in the sand?"
shockwaves that get negated by EAA = shuriken(s) being totally ineffective
please... Spider Man and Scarlet Spider always find time to fire off webbing while under assault... this is no different
while you're too busy "shelling" (with little to no effect) i'm keeping you pinned with plasma blasts and wrapping you up with webbing
how many times have you been walking in sand and suddenly found yourself knee or even ankle deep?
if the answer is one or more, then..... well ..... i don't know what .... do you way more than the average bull elephant?
my appendages will be just fine... top level futuristic alien designs didn't make a battle-ready cyborg just to have it fall apart the first time it was near an explosion
direct hit? yeah it'd do some damage
near hit??? (you mean near miss?) won't really do anything. don't talk about lack of understanding if you're not going to do the research on the characters... Kull warriors have strolled through Claymore and C4 explosions unharmed
again... EAA cancels vibrations, bullet-proofness of armour prevents penetration (does that sound a bit weird) .... and, oh yeah, no skin to be penetrated, just tough alien alloy
basically i've got you covered on all your long range tactics... they wont work for you, but a sustained battle will tire you out (if you don't just get webbed up straight away) while i wont tire at all ... it's pretty damn hard to wear out a cyborg.... ever seen Terminator?
sooner or later you may realise your only chance is to get in close.... and when you do that you wont have time to realise your mistake .... you'll be littering the desert floor and giving it a nice red tint
Okay from now on(tomorrow) Let's try to keep our posts less than a couple thousand letters instead of pushing the 10,000 mark. When I counter all that bullsh!t you just wrote tomorrow, I'll counter it and break it down to probably 4 to 5 smaller posts.
Okay.
Most people don't like reading long ass posts. That could be disadvantages to both of us.
I'm not beaten. Commuting to Sacramento and back kinda put a damper on my debate time. Official meetings suck... I have to get all dressed up, drive 2 hours, have a meeting for 4, and then spend the next 2 driving back... I'll be posting within the hour.
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Oct 10th, 2005 12:42 AM
Man, so far you're doing good, but I'm not sure how far that argument is going to take you. Would taking a hit to ANY of those power sources be a good thing?
