ok... it's freakin' halfway through this match and Dr.SH hasn't shown up.... i'm tempted to do some arguing for him just because i don't like walkovers...... if i was i might say something like.......
nope, all attributes of characters are switched to the prime body excluding strength.... so his computer enhanced mind is perfectly legal without breaking any rules OR leaving himself susceptible to electrical interference
all minds are incorporated into the amalgam... that argument is a non-factor
because Electro has never shown abilities rivaling Magneto's... in fact he's never repelled a bullet... actually, where does he ever use a shield?
Also, Electro needed a moment to concentrate to use electrostatic powers... he never once got time to use them when Spider-Man was on top of him... when he's under attack by Vibranium bullets that absorb energy efficiently enough to pass through an energy shield, he'll only be concentrating on not getting himself shot... no time for complex thought
maybe it can... but Electro isn't a big magnet... he uses electrostatic energy to propel metals (not electromagnetic) ... that energy will be absorbed by vibranium
Speed advantage? in movement yes... some... but in thought and reaction time no DL's enhancements make his mind faster and able to react better
Strength advantage?... no... Agent Zero's ability to channel any stored kinetic energy to boost his strength ten times added to USAgent's ten ton strength mean that he's well above you here
Durability?..... nah.... USAgent's body is very durable already... when inside a vibranium suit he's much more durable than Shocktopus... THEN when you add Agent Zero's kinetic absorption powers he totally outclasses you in this department
............then i'd counter-attack with something along the lines of.................
Vibranium anti-metal bullets can penetrate both your energy shield AND your armour
Deathlok's enhancements can keep track of your movements making you easier to hit... Agent is already a "precision marksman"... you're gonna get hit
either that or continual plasma assaults weaken your shields to the point where they drop leaving you open to regular ammunition
..........anyway, that's what i might say......... if i was inclined to argue this match.........
Wrong. IF he wants the reaction speed of Deathlok, he will have to take the cybernetics along with it. It's like me saying I want wolverine's adamantium claws, but not his bones because it'll slow me down. Doesn't work.
Except for the fact that it is a factor and that his cybernetic mind is part of his body which heightens his reaction. You're right.
Except for the fact that he has shown abilities rivaling Magneto's. Electro+ Ock's intelligence in electronics, robotics and applied physics push his abilities even further.
If he can lift trucks, he can repel a bullet. Don't be stupid. (please log in to view the image)
He did have, at one point in time, a sniper rifle with anti-metal bullets.
Ever try shooting a sniper gun at a 150mph(Or whatever the limit is.) target on a trampoline while being hit with coils and lasers? Neither has he.
Actually, both can be used to Ionize metal.
Read the part where he says "I now have control over ALL electricity" Then read the part where Lady Ock is a genius in the field of electronics and robotics and physics.
In movement and reaction I am superior. Since his mind is cybernetic, I'll cut it off, if it isn't, he's slower. I'm in a win win situation.
Also, try to comprehend that Speedfreek can move faster than you can see, then add Electro amping those stats even further, then add Snap amping it all even further.
Not quite.
Lady Ock's tentacles are stronger than USAgent by themselves, you know this. Then add a suit of armor than gives the wearer more strength and Electro inside it amping himself to 10+ tons.
I'm double his strength anyway you cut it.
USAgent's body is slightly above normal, Wolverine cut him up on accident.
The vibranium can be cut through. Kinetic absorbers can't take pointed attacks. Ala bishop can be stabbed by a normal human.
Except for the fact he can't aim a sniper rifle on a trampoline and he can't hit someone as fast as Shocktopus. That's what boosters are for, silly boy. 150mph in a halfsecond.
Anyone else? Scoob failed horribly.
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Last edited by long pig on Oct 19th, 2005 at 12:47 AM
rules clearly stated that ANYTHING was switchable except for strength... DL's mind was amped so ... wtf is this amalgam called?... either way, his mind is amped
i know
when? i've read quite a few of his appearances and i've never seen that.... wishful thinking on your part maybe?
don't avoid the point, i clearly said he never did anything like that when he didn't have time and space to use his powers... whenever he's been under direct attack he never does stuff like that
plus (and you may not have noticed) but bullets move a hell of a lot faster than trucks... and are much harder to see....by the time he realises a bullet has been fired it'll be too late for him to attempt to control it...... so your comparison is extremely weak and extremely flawed
and he has those bullets here.... i doubt he has ever tried that on a tramp... just like you've never tried to avoid being shot while on a tramp.... but it's not exactly hard to stop yourself from bouncing on a trampoline if you want to
and the type you use will be absorbed by the suit.... therefor even if he does have an electronic component in his head...you can't get to it
whatever... vibranium still absorbs energy
you can't... the vibranium would absorb any electrical fields you attempt to insert into his head (but i'd also still argue the non-cybernetic thing.... either way works)
that's still below Deathlok's reaction time... so seeing you and aiming at you wont be a problem
if Electro powers himself too much he could short out the circuitry in the arms... and Ock's force field
but the arms aren't too much of a threat...Plasma, laser beams, missiles, anti-metal bullets and an adamantium knife backed by superhuman strength that can cut through them... lotsa options to take out the tentacles
i cut it with an adamantium knife.... and Agent's strength can be multiplied tenfold.... so that brings him up to around 100 tons
maybe it was when he first appeared... but in recent years he's been upgraded to class 10 level strength
yeah the suit can be cut... not easily though... you still have to get past his shields (both energy and vibranium), kinetic absorbers still absorb some energy from pointed attacks... that plus his kevlar means he'll be hard to hurt
of course you'd still have to get past the shield and weaponry before this even became an issue
the anti-metal bullets are in a machine gun, he can stop bouncing easily and with Deathlok's mind he can quite easily keep up with, and hit, anyone of your speed... boosters only give you a temporary escape.... and it only takes one bullet to get through to finish this
check again... your "cyborg mind = shocky winning" argument has been squished... to reiterate... either:
ability swap (as per the whole point of the tourney)
or
Vibranium suit absorbing the electrical fields you hoped could penetrate any electronic components
your trucks = bullets argument is laughable
falling back on your strength puts you at a disadvantage
and your movement speed is still within Deathlok's ability to follow and target
in fact, if you over-use Electro's powers you could very well incapacitate yourself by shorting out your arms and then trapping yourself in them by electrostaticly sticking them to your own body
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Last edited by Scoobless on Oct 19th, 2005 at 01:30 AM
ok.... i had to get that out of my system.... i doubt i'll argue anymore (unless Long Pig says anything directed at me rather than the amalgam)
Digi.... sorry.... but you knew that someone was bound to do it at some point.... and with people voting already without hearing ANY points made (you know who you are) i felt Dr.SH's guy should at least get a defence
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Last edited by Scoobless on Oct 19th, 2005 at 01:36 AM
How come the weirdest, most one-sided matches get the most attention?
In the last match, jinzin seemed to be roadkill, what with Siryn on the other side. And yet, despite this, the thread reached at least twice as many pages as the other fight.
And here, one of the contestants hasn't even showed up yet, and this thread is also smoking the other match.
The rules also clearly state that if a power is transferred, it's properties are as well. i.e cybernetic implants.
Read his MK appearances. He's the man.
CIS. PIS
Electro is Spiderman's most powerful enemy, but what's the point of being Spiderman if you die as soon as Electro pops in?
Four or five 10 ton trucks>>>>>>>>>Bullets.
If he can ionize shrapnel and trucks, bullets aren't a problem. Speed doesn't mean shit when it hits a wall of electrically charged air ionizing it on the spot.
Only vibrations, never anything else. Hence the name VIBRAnium.
Show one single instance where vibranium absorbed energy other than kenetic....
I think the mind and the brain are different. The brain is the physical. The mind is the consciousness, experience, memory, thought, intelligence, knowledge... etc. So I think the cybernetic enhancements on the amalgam should work whether or not the cybernetic implants are there.
It's like saying Shocktopus using Electro's physical brain along with his body. One could argue that the tentacles shouldn't work because it's Electro's brain and not Doc Ock's.
in weight, obviously.... and if you can show even one single instance of Electro ever repelling shrapnel coming at him from 50 feet at hundreds of miles per hour.... then you might have an argument..... but if you can't then you're clearly talking out of your excrement exit hole
Actually, there was no one hit kill rule that I know of. I just said there was when KVD tried to use one on me.
About the mind thing.
For you to say he gets the benifets of cybernetic implants WITHOUT actually having the implants is a kin to me saying: I want SpeedFreek's armor, but I don't want the metal, so, I'm just going to say my skin is as strong as the metal armor.
That's fine, but since there is no cybernetic implants, there is so superhuman reaction speed. It's not that hard to grasp.
He can have all the memories of Deathlok, but without the implants, he doesn't get any speed boost.
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Last edited by long pig on Oct 19th, 2005 at 03:07 PM
Well, I see Scoob's amusing himself here. Er, it would probably be unethical to let you have two amalgams, so I'm not sure what happens if you start getting votes. We'll play it by ear...and in the meantime, we actually have a fight now.
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